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Forces had no direct confrontation with Hamas terrorists who killed hostages; ‘The IDF and security forces are doing everything possible to bring all hostages home as quickly as possible. This news shakes us all,’ says army spokesperson Hagari
Israeli forces discovered the bodies of six hostages in a 65-foot-deep tunnel in Rafah, approximately a kilometer from where hostage Farhan Alkadi was recently freed. The IDF had no precise intelligence on the hostages’ location in recent months but knew there were captives in the sector, leading to a gradual and cautious operation in Rafah since the ground offensive began.
Can you name a single policy or decision over the last 20 years that Hamas has had that makes you believe they aren’t themselves attempting to get Palestine wiped off the map?
In my mind, if Hamas were themselves trying to rule, they would be making decisions for themselves and not doing what Iran tells them to.
Surely you have put two and two together already.
You want me to prove a negative?
“Prove that they don’t want to kill themselves”
Hardly a cogent argument you are making. Absolute insanity. Let’s assume for a moment that their intention is to get themselves all killed, which again is ludicrous. How does that excuse Israel’s actions?
How does Israel actions, to my point, not strengthen Hamas recruitment and power?
So you can’t name a single decision made by the Palestinian government that has improved their life over the last 20 years rather making things worse for them?
That’s irrelevant. Because, as I said, the choices are absolute shit rulers or complete destruction. You are seeming to think I’m arguing Hamas are the good guys here.
When presented with the choice of destruction by Israel or a horrific theocratic regime, they are making the only choice available.
Harm Reduction. If Israels goal was to help the Palestinian people, they would be using the carrot rather than the genocidal stick.
Except complete destruction wasn’t a card on the table before Hamas.
Israel is also not the ones who suspended all future Palestinian elections.
Israel isn’t grooming Palestinian children i to working as Hamas terrorists by producing children’s cartoons blaming Jews for homosexuality, etc.
Israel can be wrong in their response, 100%. But we need to be clear: Hamas is only capable of getting Palestinians murdered. They serve no other purpose.
Israel, as a currently established state is literally a product of displacing Palestinians dictated by English Colonial Mandate.
The dissolution of Palestine was always on the table from the outset.
And let’s for a moment entertain the notion that Hamas is responsible for their ethnic cleansing in its entirety. How do you explain what’s happening right now in the West Bank?
The horrors of October 7th are being used a a pretext.
Hamas sucks in totality, but they only have any ounce of power because they are filling the vaccum created by Israel’s oppression. Weve already sonw this (the US), in our war on terror. I’ll put it this way, If Israel was peaceful, they’d have the entire worlds support right now instead of practically nobody except the US. Hamas would be public enemy #1 if Israel didn’t use that event as an excuse for genocide.
The mandate was referred to as the Palestinian mandate, not the Israeli mandate.
That’s a pretty big thing to be factually wrong about here when claiming the British plotted a genocide from the very beginning.
My brother, I’m saying that the British had colonial ownership of that land and carved out the area, displacing people in the process for Ashkenazi Jews that did not live there before WW2.
You are clearly a bad faith actor that doesn’t follow up on any of my inquires, and after having given you the benefit of the doubt in assuming your good faith, I’m blocking you.
The term Palestinian mandate is in reference to carving out the region, not carving the people out of existence. The British also sent Christian zionists before they sent Jews. The Palestinian civil war which led to Israeli expansion also was after the British ceded the territory.
If you want to accuse others of acting in bad faith because they know the historical context better than you, that’s fine, but if you want to open the door to making this a discussion about bad faith, let’s go for it.
Let’s start with people like you on here, loudly proclaiming to be American leftists, who claim to support the land back movement in support of our indigenous people, while at the same time claiming that the one historical act of “landbacking” that happened is by its nature an act of genocide.
If the land back movement was to gain any ground, to be ideologically consistent, you would have to claim that native Americans were genociding white Americans and that they weren’t even located in the region before white Americans, which is what you just claimed about Jews.
So yes, if you are unable to confront this, please block.
They got Israel to leave Gaza so there we go. That’s one. They help Palestinians who have lost everything to get revenge on their oppressors. There’s another one. And they’re helping push a two-state solution and elevated this issue of the Palestinian plight more than it’s ever been raised before.