• Rekorse
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    4 months ago

    I’m advocating for not putting yourself above a whole group of people for internet points you dumb fuck.

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      4 months ago

      A whole group of people like, say, Israeli civilians being intentionally targeted by Hamas?

      For all your moralizing and tut-tutting, you’re awfully keen to justify murdering civilians.

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        4 months ago

        And you seem to like to entirely misconstrue my position. If the only way you can deal with this conversation is to attack a strawman then thats your problem.

        If you think that not choosing violence when someone cuts you off in traffic is exactly the same as not choosing violence when your culture is being invaded by a group of people that steals your land and rapes, imprisons, and kills your family members I don’t know what to tell you.

        My position is that you have no idea what you would do under the same circumstances. Hopefully there would be a nonviolent solution to all problems but sometimes there just isnt one.

        Sort of like how Israel couldn’t find a nonviolent solution to taking over the west bank and gaza and pushing out Palestinians. Why aren’t you critical of all the violence Israel commits on Palestinians?

        A child per week was murdered by the IDF the whole year leading up to October 7th, but you want to say it was Hamas or Palestine that brought the violence to Israel?

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          If you think that not choosing violence when someone cuts you off in traffic is exactly the same as not choosing violence when your culture is being invaded by a group of people that steals your land and rapes, imprisons, and kills your family members I don’t know what to tell you.

          If you think that choosing to murder civilians is acceptable because it gets people’s attention, well, I don’t know what to tell you.

          Sort of like how Israel couldn’t find a nonviolent solution to taking over the west bank and gaza and pushing out Palestinians. Why aren’t you critical of all the violence Israel commits on Palestinians?

          I’ve been calling the Israeli genocide a genocide since before Lemmy existed, lmao, but sure, anyone who thinks that civilians shouldn’t be murdered is a secret Zionist, you got me.

          A child per week was murdered by the IDF the whole year leading up to October 7th, but you want to say it was Hamas or Palestine that brought the violence to Israel?

          Oh, okay, like how you can counter-rape, or rape in self-defense, right? Two wrongs make a right, especially if both of them are utterly worthless acts from a strategic standpoint. They’re just bringing the rape-sorry, violence against civilians, to Israel. Totally fine! If you’re a sociopath or a fucking Nazi piece of shit. :)

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            4 months ago

            So you are spectating for internet points, like I said.

            I literally stated the opposite of what you are accusing me of saying.

            Is it so hard for you to just admit you aren’t any different than the people in Gaza or in Hamas, that if you lived their lives you might do the exact same thing.

            Its funny you are virtue signaling compassion for the Palestinians while also treating them like immature children who need to be told not to hit their neighbor.

            Go ahead and reply again putting words in my mouth and then write a couple paragraphs about how great of a person you are and how you’d never do anything so low.

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              Go ahead and reply again putting words in my mouth and then write a couple paragraphs about how great of a person you are and how you’d never do anything so low.

              lmao. I’m not a great person. I’m just not simping for murdering civilians, unlike you.

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                4 months ago

                Right, Pugjesus the pacifist. You’ve changed me, if only both sides would reject violence, the problem would be solved!

                If you leave right now you can make it just in time to give this message to both leaders and stop all of this!

                Do you want to take my butt spanking paddle with you?

                Seriously though, did I break your brain? Not having a better solution does not equal simping for murdering civilians. Does that work? If you really think that the people who committed the attack on October 7th are any different than you and I, then I can’t help you.

                You are the one treating people like children on both sides. You pass judgment without having been involved, which makes your judement worthless, which is why I’m calling it virtue signaling. The only thing you get from this is now people know Pugjesus is anti-murder, whatever thats supposed to mean.

                I’m saying not to judge people you don’t understand, in situations you’ve never experienced. Of course violence is wrong buy if everyone who felt that way never committed violence then the world would be incredibly safe. Normal people can be pushed to extremes, and this is why people aren’t focusing on the attack on the 7th and instead talking about before and after.

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                  Seriously though, did I break your brain? Not having a better solution does not equal simping for murdering civilians.

                  Let me reiterate:

                  If you think targeting civilians in ethnic cleansing isn’t doing it wrong because you prefer their side of the conflict, we have nothing to talk about. Your position is no different than the excuses given by the Zionists.

                  Have a nice day simping for genocide.

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                    4 months ago

                    Murder is bad. I don’t know what a better answer for that conflict is. I’ll call it the wrong choice once someone figures out what the right one was. If thats simping to you then oh well.