I think it more that the other option is just that insane. It’s not as much a left vs right thing. It’s a business as usual vs. Chaos election. Cheney being in favor of someone playing by the normal rules isn’t that surprising.
Cheney is an absolute ghoul, but I don’t doubt that the neocon stupidity he embraced during the Bush administration was at least partly out of a desire for America to remain ‘top dog’.
Trump is sitting here ready to quite literally sell our position to Russia and China.
It’s a WW2 moment. The Soviets and the Western Allies join hands, because even though each thinks the other is fucking terrible, there’s a more vile foe afoot.
Trump and his ilk… They believe in fucking NOTHING. I’m not even convinced their goal, at its core, is even self-enrichment. I’m pretty well convinced the whole movement is just extremely self-destructive mental illness metastasisized into a political party.
I’m not even convinced their goal, at its core, is even self-enrichment.
I’m almost certain it’s not. There are so many easier ways to unjustly enrich yourself in this country.
I’m pretty well convinced the whole movement is just extremely self-destructive mental illness metastasisized into a political party.
I think you’re right. People sometimes underestimate the power of culture and popular delusions. They rarely make the fire on their own, but they are one fucking hell of an accelerant.
I doubt any two of Trump’s team members have the same goals. It’s like a clown car full of grifters, con men, psychopaths, power seekers and snake oil salesmen.
Trump is sitting here ready to quite literally sell our position to Russia and China
God, I wish I lived in the reality liberals have concocted for themselves.
You’re making Trump sound way cooler than he is. He’s a less savvy but more enthusiastic imperialist. Ending American (read white, anglo) supremacy does not inspire dread to anyone but weird xenophobes, financial exploiters of the global south, and weapons manufacturers.
I’m supposed to think one of the worst war criminals in human history endorsing your candidate is a good thing because their new guy is…checks notes…NOT PATRIOTIC ENOUGH? Is being the more competent pillager supposed to be an appeal?..while rent, food, and healthcare are unaffordable?
All this rhetoric does is inspires anyone who cares about anything above profit and bloodlust to not vote for your candidate. Meanwhile the people who like this xenophobic shit will vote for the more enthusiastic Republicans.
It’s a business as usual vs. Chaos election. Cheney being in favor of someone playing by the normal rules isn’t that surprising.
This doesn’t actually oppose their point that
I think it’s indicative of just how far right the “left” have gone. We have no real representation.
“Business as usual” is right wing politics, even to the Democratic party at this point, which is supposed to be the left wing.
If you keep shifting right to pick up people like Cheney, eventually your policy will just be the same as Cheney and if anyone wants to go further right they have to go “just that insane” to seperate themselves because republicans are never going to shift left.
Harris will likely try to pass more left leaning goals, but she isn’t going to fundamentally change the rules or change priorities based on the last conversation she had with someone. It’s easier to be an opposition party than trying to control Trump.
I think it more that the other option is just that insane. It’s not as much a left vs right thing. It’s a business as usual vs. Chaos election. Cheney being in favor of someone playing by the normal rules isn’t that surprising.
Cheney is an absolute ghoul, but I don’t doubt that the neocon stupidity he embraced during the Bush administration was at least partly out of a desire for America to remain ‘top dog’.
Trump is sitting here ready to quite literally sell our position to Russia and China.
It’s a WW2 moment. The Soviets and the Western Allies join hands, because even though each thinks the other is fucking terrible, there’s a more vile foe afoot.
Yeah, there’s the effect Cheney and his gang all having American supremacy as their goal, with them and their corporate fuck-buddies specifically on top of the heap. In their own particularly fucked kind of way, they did care about America or something.
Trump and his ilk… They believe in fucking NOTHING. I’m not even convinced their goal, at its core, is even self-enrichment. I’m pretty well convinced the whole movement is just extremely self-destructive mental illness metastasisized into a political party.
I’m almost certain it’s not. There are so many easier ways to unjustly enrich yourself in this country.
I think you’re right. People sometimes underestimate the power of culture and popular delusions. They rarely make the fire on their own, but they are one fucking hell of an accelerant.
I doubt any two of Trump’s team members have the same goals. It’s like a clown car full of grifters, con men, psychopaths, power seekers and snake oil salesmen.
Obligatory reminder that Dick Cheney literally does not have a heart or a pulse, as his heart was replaced by a continuous flow pump.
So… ghoul indeed.
He ushered in PNAC which has morphed into Project 2025 afaict.
Not even close.
God, I wish I lived in the reality liberals have concocted for themselves.
You’re making Trump sound way cooler than he is. He’s a less savvy but more enthusiastic imperialist. Ending American (read white, anglo) supremacy does not inspire dread to anyone but weird xenophobes, financial exploiters of the global south, and weapons manufacturers.
I’m supposed to think one of the worst war criminals in human history endorsing your candidate is a good thing because their new guy is…checks notes…NOT PATRIOTIC ENOUGH? Is being the more competent pillager supposed to be an appeal?..while rent, food, and healthcare are unaffordable?
All this rhetoric does is inspires anyone who cares about anything above profit and bloodlust to not vote for your candidate. Meanwhile the people who like this xenophobic shit will vote for the more enthusiastic Republicans.
He’s not that cool, but he’s greedy.
Unfortunately, “Business as usual” in our political climate, is a pretty conservative sentiment.
I get that you’re saying Cheney is just making a rational decision but it doesn’t contradict the Op’s point.
This doesn’t actually oppose their point that
“Business as usual” is right wing politics, even to the Democratic party at this point, which is supposed to be the left wing.
If you keep shifting right to pick up people like Cheney, eventually your policy will just be the same as Cheney and if anyone wants to go further right they have to go “just that insane” to seperate themselves because republicans are never going to shift left.
Harris will likely try to pass more left leaning goals, but she isn’t going to fundamentally change the rules or change priorities based on the last conversation she had with someone. It’s easier to be an opposition party than trying to control Trump.