You know what Nazis bring to your town? Garbage. I don’t know why this is difficult. The Nazi symbol should be banned from all public use and Nazis should be arrested and held as enemies of the state.
So where is the line? Because their exercise of their rights limits others as they are no longer safe to go outside. Your rights and freedoms end where mine begin… It should not be the right of the loudest, or right of the person most careless of others, should it? Is that what we want for society?
You want to deprive citizens of their constitutionally protected rights because you disagree with them, because you’ve defined them “enemies of the state”. You’re a nationalist fascist.
I think I can say that I am living in germany, currently a country not under the government of national fascists, that has a law against so called “Volksverhetzung” which has been introduced quite literally to prevent some speech of the nationalist fascists, to prevent them from spreading their hateful ideology. Maybe you wanna think about that for awhile.
This isn’t about ideas it is about calling for violence towards people. This isn’t how you get Nazis this is the “you already have Nazis and need to do something about it”
Also, funnily enough, the proletariat or what’s left of it, are the ones currently flocking to the right-wing extremist party here in Germany.
Nah bruv, as an american, the people are too dumb to not need some sort of protection from hate speech and ideas. A fact checker needs to be a mandatory public service at this point. I feel the same way about the homeless bum who shouts at everyone downtown that their participation in consummerism is destroying everything. If they called for violence, it would be a step too far.
They already have thought about it - see the part where they’re glad our rights aren’t curtailed just because someone might say some words that hurt your feelings.
Germany can take their nanny state bullshit and fuck right off.
You go tell that to the entire generation that had to fight and die to free us of the Nazi plague. Nazis have no place in this country and are an enemy to everything we stand for. There is Zero reason we should allow them any space to speak or live with us.
Sure the Nazis get 1st and 4th but BLM gets a police riot. If we didn’t have those rights, they don’t have those rights. There’s no double standard here.
You’re assuming they want to apply rules consistently and fairly. When the out-group is them, they’ll whine about freeze peach until we tolerate their intolerance.
The Problem is that we shift the talking point from “we shouldn’t arrest people for their political opinion” to “which political opinion should we arrest” which is exactly what the Nazis want
Fascism is not just another political opinion that involves genocide. It is a genocide threat that involves voting. If you’re going to make a credible threat, expect physical defense.
If you’re actually serious, please take a moment to consider that you are spreading Nazi propaganda.
Lovely concept, but that’s not how it works. If we imprison Nazis for their opinion being “against the state” it’s a short way from imprisoning communists. Afterall, communists killed more people than fascists, so we should also arrest them. Starting to see how this in the Nazis interest?
Them we get to the debate to be about “violent” immigrants or “vile” [insert enemy nationality]. Why should immigrants and enemies get better treatment than our own people? So they go as well.
Don’t be stupid: Don’t normalize prosecuting political opponents. All it takes then is for them to get 1(one) election and the oppression will simply change to you. And then it’s game over.
Instead build a societal agreement that political prosecution and other fascist methods are bad. So that when the fascists try to employ them, the population won’t simply play along.
Yes, I assume all sovereign nations have laws against enemies of the state. Ours are specified in the constitution. The sentencing is laid out in or laws as well. Existing as a NAZI doesn’t qualify, but acting as a NAZI very well might qualify you depending on the acts.
You know what Nazis bring to your town? Garbage. I don’t know why this is difficult. The Nazi symbol should be banned from all public use and Nazis should be arrested and held as enemies of the state.
Those pesky 1st and 4th amendments to the US Constitution. They apply to everyone, not just those you agree with.
Hate speech isn’t a matter of opinion. You’re not special just because you have opinions.
You can’t just scream at people to go back to Africa.
You come off as incredibly racist and ignorant since those people are U.S citizens.
You’re not exactly defended by the constitution if you wave your gun at people who are innocent.
So pipe down.
King of teachers spouting false equivalence? We’re fucked.
So where is the line? Because their exercise of their rights limits others as they are no longer safe to go outside. Your rights and freedoms end where mine begin… It should not be the right of the loudest, or right of the person most careless of others, should it? Is that what we want for society?
They do not apply to enemies of the state like the Taliban, ISIS or Nazis.
You want to deprive citizens of their constitutionally protected rights because you disagree with them, because you’ve defined them “enemies of the state”. You’re a nationalist fascist.
Good luck with that.
At some point speech becomes hate speech that actually hurts people. In Germany there are laws against that, I’m sure the US has too.
Fortunately, feelings aren’t protected in the US. Hate speech can only be used to show intent in the commission of an actual crime.
Should’ve used the “fire in a theater” example with stochastic terrorism from a position of authority.
Why is it I need make your argument for you? Think about that one for awhile.
How about the example of someone saying black immigrants are eating dogs in a debate carried by all networks and live on multiple streaming platforms?
I think I can say that I am living in germany, currently a country not under the government of national fascists, that has a law against so called “Volksverhetzung” which has been introduced quite literally to prevent some speech of the nationalist fascists, to prevent them from spreading their hateful ideology. Maybe you wanna think about that for awhile.
The prolitariat doesn’t need the protection of governance from ideas. That’s how we get Nazis. Study your history.
This isn’t about ideas it is about calling for violence towards people. This isn’t how you get Nazis this is the “you already have Nazis and need to do something about it”
Also, funnily enough, the proletariat or what’s left of it, are the ones currently flocking to the right-wing extremist party here in Germany.
Nah bruv, as an american, the people are too dumb to not need some sort of protection from hate speech and ideas. A fact checker needs to be a mandatory public service at this point. I feel the same way about the homeless bum who shouts at everyone downtown that their participation in consummerism is destroying everything. If they called for violence, it would be a step too far.
They already have thought about it - see the part where they’re glad our rights aren’t curtailed just because someone might say some words that hurt your feelings.
Germany can take their nanny state bullshit and fuck right off.
That’s an opinion one can have, but it’s different from calling everyone that might want a more restrictive policy a nationalist fascist
You go tell that to the entire generation that had to fight and die to free us of the Nazi plague. Nazis have no place in this country and are an enemy to everything we stand for. There is Zero reason we should allow them any space to speak or live with us.
Sure the Nazis get 1st and 4th but BLM gets a police riot. If we didn’t have those rights, they don’t have those rights. There’s no double standard here.
Arresting enemies of the state?
Well, the Nazis would certainly agree with that.
You’re assuming they want to apply rules consistently and fairly. When the out-group is them, they’ll whine about freeze peach until we tolerate their intolerance.
The Problem is that we shift the talking point from “we shouldn’t arrest people for their political opinion” to “which political opinion should we arrest” which is exactly what the Nazis want
No they don’t, this has been discussed to death and you are very wrong.
Fascism is not just another political opinion that involves genocide. It is a genocide threat that involves voting. If you’re going to make a credible threat, expect physical defense.
If you’re actually serious, please take a moment to consider that you are spreading Nazi propaganda.
Lovely concept, but that’s not how it works. If we imprison Nazis for their opinion being “against the state” it’s a short way from imprisoning communists. Afterall, communists killed more people than fascists, so we should also arrest them. Starting to see how this in the Nazis interest?
Them we get to the debate to be about “violent” immigrants or “vile” [insert enemy nationality]. Why should immigrants and enemies get better treatment than our own people? So they go as well.
I’ll just leave this here: https://martin-niemoeller-stiftung.de/martin-niemoeller/als-die-nazis-die-kommunisten-holten
Don’t be stupid: Don’t normalize prosecuting political opponents. All it takes then is for them to get 1(one) election and the oppression will simply change to you. And then it’s game over.
Instead build a societal agreement that political prosecution and other fascist methods are bad. So that when the fascists try to employ them, the population won’t simply play along.
Yes, I assume all sovereign nations have laws against enemies of the state. Ours are specified in the constitution. The sentencing is laid out in or laws as well. Existing as a NAZI doesn’t qualify, but acting as a NAZI very well might qualify you depending on the acts.