It’s not on Israel if a terrorist lets their kids play with their tools.
Man has pager in his pocket. Man is sitting down having a meal with his family. Pager blows up in his pocket, killing the child sitting next to him, and probably killing or injuring other family members.
Targeted or not, that child’s death is squarely on Israel. They decided that collateral damage was acceptable when they chose this method of mass assassination.
This attack didn’t just target militants, it also hit politicians who would be working diplomatically towards peace. Israel has an extremely broad definition of “terrorist”
In this analogy it’s just a city bus. They killed civilians with this attack, I’m not sure if you realize. Unless you think the 10 year old girl was a hardened Hezbollah soldier.
And yes, it’s better, but not good. Especially since they’re not even at war with Lebanon right now. They’re just trying to expand the conflict to keep the US in a forever war to justify their genocide and so Netanyahu never has to account for his crimes.
I understand you want to derail the discussion, but Hezbollah decided to attack Israel right after Hamas had their little excursion, before Israel launched their offensive in response
They blew up the pagers without knowing where they would be, who they would be next to, or who would be holding them. That’s how the children died. It was really cool how cyberpunk it was, but it wasn’t precisely targeted at all. It’s like blowing up a city bus because you’re pretty sure a Hezbollah member is in it but don’t care about collateral damage at all.
Just a little light crippling, don’t worry about the other 2700 other people that suddenly need the hospital, oh wait, some bombs went off there as well!
Focused on a single person who was in a car with a Hezbollah member when the pager exploded. Yes it’s unfortunate she died instead of her father, but it’s hardly proof of indiscriminate attacks.
Lebanon could retaliate, but it’s still going to bring whether Hezbollah is really state sponsored to the forefront of the conflict. The other two countries aren’t going to openly invite US/EU intervention by taking action.
Not really. The attack indiscriminately killed and injured many innocent Lebonese. Lebanon is fully justified in responding solely on that basis alone.
That really doesn’t seem to be true though. There’s no reports of anyone injured that wasn’t a militant or directly related to one. This doesn’t seem to be a case of 100s of innocent’s to a single target, it appears to very much be the opposite. That is expressly not indiscriminate.
Distributing bombs to terrorists is about as exact as you can get. It’s not on Israel if a terrorist lets their kids play with their tools.
Israel could have leveled a block in Lebanon like they do in Gaza, but they didn’t.
Man has pager in his pocket. Man is sitting down having a meal with his family. Pager blows up in his pocket, killing the child sitting next to him, and probably killing or injuring other family members.
Targeted or not, that child’s death is squarely on Israel. They decided that collateral damage was acceptable when they chose this method of mass assassination.
When Hezbollah chose to reopen hostilities with Israel the outcome would always be more death. Her father could have chosen peace instead
This attack didn’t just target militants, it also hit politicians who would be working diplomatically towards peace. Israel has an extremely broad definition of “terrorist”
Do you have examples?
This article lists some of the targets, including an ambassador or an MPs son.
Ok, but where did you read that these two people were “working towards peace” ?
Politicians and diplomats would be the ones involved in peace talks.
So you’re assuming that these two were working towarda peace?
Dropping smaller bombs that kill innocents is still terrorism. It’s not like it’s okay if I blow up a bus just because I blew up a building last week.
Blowing up the bus that transports soldiers to camp is a hell of a lot better than blowing up a building where a single officer lives.
In this analogy it’s just a city bus. They killed civilians with this attack, I’m not sure if you realize. Unless you think the 10 year old girl was a hardened Hezbollah soldier.
And yes, it’s better, but not good. Especially since they’re not even at war with Lebanon right now. They’re just trying to expand the conflict to keep the US in a forever war to justify their genocide and so Netanyahu never has to account for his crimes.
In this case it’s Hezbollah that chose to ‘expand the conflict’ back in October
That was Israel when they decided to initiate a genocide.
I understand you want to derail the discussion, but Hezbollah decided to attack Israel right after Hamas had their little excursion, before Israel launched their offensive in response
A City bus doesn’t actually fit the analogy. Israel didn’t randomly distribute explosive pagers to anyone. They went to a terrorist organization.
They blew up the pagers without knowing where they would be, who they would be next to, or who would be holding them. That’s how the children died. It was really cool how cyberpunk it was, but it wasn’t precisely targeted at all. It’s like blowing up a city bus because you’re pretty sure a Hezbollah member is in it but don’t care about collateral damage at all.
These weren’t bus size explosions, you could be in an elevator with someone wearing the pager and survive.
Just a little light crippling, don’t worry about the other 2700 other people that suddenly need the hospital, oh wait, some bombs went off there as well!
They’re evil terrorists either way.
What if you distribute bombs to Lebanese civilians, detonate them, and then label the corpses “Terrorist” after the fact?
Then there would be news articles about mass civilian casualties, and not the focus on a single girl who was the daughter of a Hezbollah militant.
You’re literally posting under one of them.
Focused on a single person who was in a car with a Hezbollah member when the pager exploded. Yes it’s unfortunate she died instead of her father, but it’s hardly proof of indiscriminate attacks.
“How do you know he was a member?”
“He must have been a member because he was using a pager”
Perfect impenetrable circle of logic.
They absolutely cannot, not without expecting a similar, if not bigger, retaliation from Lebanon, Iran, Insarhallah, and probably Turkey.
Lebanon could retaliate, but it’s still going to bring whether Hezbollah is really state sponsored to the forefront of the conflict. The other two countries aren’t going to openly invite US/EU intervention by taking action.
Not really. The attack indiscriminately killed and injured many innocent Lebonese. Lebanon is fully justified in responding solely on that basis alone.
That really doesn’t seem to be true though. There’s no reports of anyone injured that wasn’t a militant or directly related to one. This doesn’t seem to be a case of 100s of innocent’s to a single target, it appears to very much be the opposite. That is expressly not indiscriminate.
So you have information saying that 2000+ people injured were all Hezbollah? Please share a link
Turkey literally said they were willing to intervene if the conflict further escalates.
And if Israel bombed Lebanon, it wouldn’t matter whether Hezbollah is state sponsored or not. They would be attacking Lebanon’s sovereignty.