Here’s the problem: Trump is out to maximize environmental damage and the US Green Party runs as spoilers. Let’s look at three scenarios:

Scenario 1:

Harris: 1001 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 0 votes

Harris wins


Scenario 2:

Harris: 1000 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 1 vote

Tied vote, which goes to the courts and Congress, putting Trump in power


Scenario 3:

Harris: 999 votes

Trump: 1000 votes

Stein: 2 votes

Trump wins outright


This spoiler effect makes it really imperative to actively vote for Harris if you want to see any kind of climate action going forward. Republicans know this, which is why they’re the ones funding the Green Party.

And that’s why the European Greens want Jill Stein to step down now — they get that what she’s doing is making it easier to elect a fascist bent on environmental destruction.

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    23 days ago

    The target has not being reached and the government isn’t even considering doing something as simple as banning private jets or yachts. If you care about the climate cause do not advocate for the parties and politicians who have brought us to this point. Instead of defending them and pointing out that one is less awful than the other use your energies to do something better.

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      23 days ago

      So we’re at the finish line with two choices, and you’re gonna double down that there’s a third option people haven’t considered?

      Did I get that right?

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        23 days ago

        The world is at the finish line and there a thousand things you can do to fight the climate cause. Climate activists are blocking roads they are not advocating for the parties who are responsible for the climate crisis.

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          23 days ago

          They’re recognizing that a first-past-the-post system gives us effectively a choice between two candidates, and are choosing to support the one willing to do more. This is what the Biden/Harris administration got us:

          Trump wants to roll everything back.

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              23 days ago

              It’s worth it to call out shills so they can’t spew their bullshit uncontested. This isn’t reddit where a barrage of downvotes hides them. They need active pushback.

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              22 days ago

              Go ahead and point out what’s bad about any of the posts i ever made. I always post in good faith, i do not advocate for evil, war or any corrupted government or politician. I wonder if the same could be say about you.

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            23 days ago

            If we look at the chart the emissions are pretty much as high as they were in 1990, they even went up in the past few years. They could drop these in a day by banning billionares commodities. There’s a reason why climate activists aren’t advocating for the current ruling parties.

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              23 days ago

              To the contrary, when I’ve been doing phonebanks calling climate activists asking them to be involved in actions supporting Harris, I’m finding that I actually know people on the list, and they’re showing up.

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          I agree that climate change is a global problem, but letting the one candidate who said “drill baby, drill,” got $75mil investments from Big Oil, has indicated he’d be a dictator, and has explicitly called climate change a hoax—we can just let him win, because surely he won’t put the boot upon the climate activists and suppress any effort to do anything meaningful about the climate?

          Is that your plan? Because I fail to see how electing Donald Trump will give you the status quo you’re assuming you’ll have to be able to effect any sort of climate agenda.

          Do all those activist things, but don’t be so gullible or naive to think that the judges the president will pick, the Congresspersons and lobbying interests they choose to listen to, the people they appoint to their cabinet, and countries they do business with are tantamount to nothing.

          Unless you sincerely think that stuff is tantamount to nothing compared to protests, in which case, I wish I could be that privileged and divorced from reality.

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            23 days ago

            I agree that climate change is a global problem, but letting the one candidate who said “drill baby, drill,” got $75mil investments from Big Oil, has indicated he’d be a dictator, and has explicitly called climate change a hoax—we can just let him win, because surely he won’t put the boot upon the climate activists and suppress any effort to do anything meaningful about the climate?

            Climate activists are already being beaten and arrested pretty much all around the world.

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              So, not going to answer the questions I asked you and just pretend it’s going to be exactly the same under both candidates?

              Is that your strategy? Are you a troll?

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                  22 days ago

                  I’m pointing out the government is shit. Of course i must be a psyop agent from the “enemy”. Our government is the best in the world and never do anything wrong.

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                    must be a psyop agent from the “enemy”.

                    You might be.

                    I’m pointing out the government is shit

                    Nobody is claiming it doesn’t have problems. If you haven’t been paying attention, there are things that non-MAGA wants to change about it.

                    Our government is the best in the world

                    As we constantly complain about citizens United, electoral college, first past the post elections, car dependant infrastructure, and the list goes on.

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                22 days ago

                What is exactly your question?

                My “strategy” aka the right thing to do is to not endorse or advocate for criminals. Simple as that

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                22 days ago

                What is exactly your question?

                My “strategy” aka the right thing to do is to not endorse or advocate for criminals. Simple as that

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      23 days ago

      Who do you think is a viable politician, who can win the presidential election next Tuesday and bans private jets and yachts?

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        22 days ago

        Name all the registered candidates