Forced conscription is a form of slavery, especially when enforced with violence. I’m using slavery as an example to make you understand that there’s no condition under which slavery can be good and the same principle applies to forced conscription. Slaves can be used to fight for a country and for “society” but slavery is and will always be wrong.

In some countries, you are required to show up to vote, you don’t have to vote for anyone, you can just submit a blank ballot, but failure to do so can result in fines. Is mandatory voting slavery?

Imagine being arrested for not submitting a ballot, is this the society you want to live in?

Taxes are mandatory, in order to fund stuff that benefits society, is taxation theft?

Paying taxes in russia that goes into fueling the ukraine invasion is more than simply theft, isn’t it? If you were russian would you happily pay taxes and consider it rightful?

Let me guess, you’re the type of person to not return a shopping cart because it’s “slavery”. You won’t wear a mask because it’s "tyranny.

Are you really comparing returning a shopping cart with being conscripted into a war that is estimated to have made a million casualties already?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription_in_Ukraine

“According to an estimate by Ukrainian commanders, 50% to 70% of Ukrainian conscripts are killed or wounded on their first day in combat.”

You and I both know that’s not what you said

If you haven’t noticed it there’s a screenshot of the removed posts at the top of this thread

Again, nobody is swayed by your bullshit. Try harder, troll.

You are calling my arguments bullshit and labeling me as a troll, try to be more patient and read more carefully because you are not sounding smart.

You sound to be trolling more

If you live in sud america you are doing more good buying a pair of handcrafted boots from USA than h&m boots imported from china.

That’s how you successfully boycott a product

Two pigs don’t praise any of these two they are the scum of earth

you’re spreading propaganda, not truth.

If you believe highlighting human right violations such as drafting people by force and not allowing everyone to leave a country is spreading propaganda than you are a victim of the propaganda yourself. Are you aware that there’s propaganda in every country and not just in russia?

That’s definitely what I was implying and not that the prospect of death scares people into running away

“coward: a person who is contemptibly lacking in the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.”

You are just remarking your implication that ukraine people are cowards.

By that definision, almost every country is evil.

You may not like to hear it but that’s how it goes. Name a single country in the world that isn’t rooted in violence or that isn’t governed by corrupted politicians.

But: Is Ukraine’s conscription to stop a foreign invasion the same evil as russia’s conscription in order to invade and continuingly occupy Ukraine? The invasion that killed a lot of civillians, with the intent to take over Ukraine and expand russian territory by any means necessary. Are they really the same evil?

You are making an argument that there’s some slavery better than other, ok you slaver…

Defending forced conscription and praising authoritarian leaders is being a useful idiot for the russia government because that’s what they want to hear.

What does achieve switching from USA mega corporations to EU mega corporations? Ditch corporations for good and stop eating fast food.

Just a random example from the list: H&M makes their fast fashion in third world countries and has stores all over the world including america.

animation, scripts, music

“handcrafted” music is recorded with microphones playing real instruments, you ever saw a game labeling their music as non-digital?

First time i see this sub on the frontpage.

You should boycott evil corporations regardless of where they are from, don’t make it a nationalistic thing, some of the alternative suggested here are as much bad as their usa counterpart. You are not achieving shit by switching from nike to adidas…

Police deemed a protest including violence and vandalism wasn’t a good place for an unsupervised 10 year old boy. So they took him out of there, whether he liked it or not. And proceedingly returned him to his father. That’s it.

“they took him out of there and returned him to his father”

You are making some big police apologia here, the video is there for anyone to see. A quick search on youtube with keywords like “police germany protest” will show plenty of videos of police gently helping people their way home.

I did. Read my first comment.

I already replied to your first comment and the others. I’m not posting any disinformation, just because you don’t like it or the russian are saying it doesn’t imply that what i’m saying is false or wrong.

and the draft exists to ensure the country does as well.

A country does not exist because of forced conscription. People can defend themself even without authoritarian leaders drafting them by force. Your claim is that ukraine still exist only because they drafted people against their will, you are basically implying ukraine people are cowards and should be forced to fight.

If the draft didn’t exist, the end result would be might makes right. The countries who didn’t have enough volunteers would lose, and the country with the bigger stick would always be the victor. Human lives would be spared, sure, but at what cost? Living as a conquered people is not defacto better just because you’re alive. One need only look at history to see that fact.

You talk like a villain, wars are fought by real people who die in the most miserable way. I encourage you to watch the combat footage out of this war to look at what is happening.

I’m fine with not discussing the argument here because this sub has another goal but don’t keep making points about it yourself or i’m gonna have to reply.

In other words, you’re pointing at Ukraine and ignoring the rest of the world. You’re taking a side.

The thread was about Ukraine and people were praising its authoritarian leader calling him an hero. I pointed out and argue that he’s no hero because he’s an authoritarian leader drafting people by force. When i say that martial law is dictatorship and that drafting people by force is a violation of human rights that goes for everyone everywhere, if the thread was about Congo i would have talk about Congo and not ukraine.

Did you put any sources or evidence into the comments that got removed? If so, they don’t show in the screen shots, so you’d have to put them up somewhere else for me to engage further on that side of things.

Yes, you can thank the .world mods for removing it thus creating even more confusion. That’s some good argument against censorship, removing the comments didn’t do any justice.

Do you know your history? The nazi fought the biggest war with stalin. Were stalin and his regime good overall because they fought and defeated the nazi?

Drafting people by force is wrong, if you do it you are lowering yourself to the nazi, russia or any other scum.

explain how this is idiotic

I remember quite well some videos being posted here on lemmy like the police chasing the kid with the palestine flag.

Thanks for the warning. I don’t think picking a fight with him is much useful, don’t attack him personally for lying bur rather explain to him why lying is wrong.