In the hours following former President Donald Trump’s election victory, Google searches related to 4B — a fringe South Korean feminist movement that made a name for itself in the mid to late 2010s — surged in the United States.

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    4 days ago

    Maybe deradicalize wasn’t the best word, but I couldn’t think of a better pizzazzy synonym for convincing centrists to vote blue instead of red

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      To “deradicalize” someone would entail turning them from the left to the right, not the other way around. You may have noticed that right-wingers themselves never self-apply the term “radical,” but leftists most certainly do. Like me, for instance - I’m a radical. There is a very good reason for that.

      It’s only liberals (and liberal media) that strips the actual political meaning out of the term and hysterically applies it to both the left and the right in their inane quest to prove to everyone and themselves that they are in the (so-called) political “center” - something which, as any radical can tell you, does not exist.

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        Any radical can tell me that the political center doesn’t exist, but that doesn’t really change the fact that the loss of the political center is why we’re in for another four years of Trump

        What do you call the 11 million people who voted for Biden in 2020, and didn’t vote this year?

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          What do you call the 11 million people who voted for Biden in 2020, and didn’t vote this year?

          People who got fed up with the (so-called) “centrists” that spent the last four years doing absolutely squat to fix the whole “fascist-zombie-horde-scratching-at-the-gates” thing, perhaps?

          You don’t oppose right-wingers with “centrism.” Unless you want to hand the right-wingers a milk-run victory, of course.

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            You are awfully certain about this. I know the centrist approach did not work this year, but I am skeptical that a radical left approach would have won. The election math is just that there are too few of you radicals to win any elections at the moment.

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              You are awfully certain about this.

              They don’t allow radical politics into the formal political establishment because radical politics threaten to dismantle the formal political establishment. So, no. Radical leftists do not win (or even play) electoral politics.

              That’s not what we are talking about at all here. If it’s merely winning elections you want you don’t even need radical leftism. All you need is a Democratic party that’s actually hostile to fascism. You don’t have that and you’re not getting it, either.

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        It’s only liberals (and liberal media) that strips the actual political meaning out of the term

        Do you think conservatives are liberals? What is a liberal to you? Since we are criticizing removing political meaning from a word, I want to clarify this

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          Do you think conservatives are liberals?

          Lol! What else did you think they were?

          Did the fact that they both fetishize capitalism convince you they were different ideologies?

          Or the fact that they both fetishize the “Rule Of Law” and the liberal nation state?

          Or the fact that they are both perfectly fine with imperialism?

          “Hot button” issues hystericized by the media does not actually qualify as ideological differentiators.

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            No, I am aware conservatives are liberals. Liberalism means they are for capitalism. Did you see how I was asking to clarify what you meant? Why did you assume my knowledge?

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              Because it’s only liberals that do not want to accept the truth about liberalism that respond to me here on lemmy.

              Sorry if I jumped the gun.