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arrow-up148arrow-down1external-linkTeenagers plan to flee as Kyiv faces pressure to call up the youngwww.thetimes.com☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 5 days agomessage-square18fedilink
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsmanlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up14arrow-down4·5 days agoSure seems like they’re winning.
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkarrow-up5arrow-down9·5 days agoThey’re not winning. They’re trying to prevent the worst.
minus-squarejol@discuss.tchncs.delinkfedilinkarrow-up8·5 days agoHm teenage pregnancy and vaping I guess?
minus-squareCyberMonkey404@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up5·5 days agoReasonably certain those are already present in Ukraine
minus-squarehubobeslinkfedilinkarrow-up8arrow-down5·5 days agoPreventing the complete loss of their sovereignty—essentially preserving their nation in the face of aggression?
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsmanlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up5arrow-down6·5 days ago…so they should’ve taken the first peace deal in 2014 before Russia backed the Republics of donetsk and luhansk in their uprising?
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up5arrow-down1·5 days agoWho guarantees that they get peace in return?
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsmanlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down5·5 days agoNo one can ever guarantee anything, but Russia wouldn’t fuck with them if there’s an actual deal and they abide by it instead of violating it.
minus-squarecatloaf@lemm.eelinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up6arrow-down2·4 days agoThat’s a real big if, and history indicates it would be unlikely.
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up3arrow-down4·4 days agoI understand the Ukrainians mistrust.
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsmanlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up5arrow-down5·4 days agoWhy? They violated the previous treaty not Russia.
minus-squareB0rax@feddit.orglinkfedilinkarrow-up4arrow-down3·4 days agoLet’s not forget who is attacking and who is defending…
minus-squaretheonlytruescotsmanlinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up5arrow-down1·4 days agoLet’s not forget who broke their treaty precipitating the attack.
minus-squaremagikmw@lemm.eelinkfedilinkarrow-up5arrow-down5·5 days agoYou give up a finger, russians have always taken the whole arm.
minus-squaresexy_peach@feddit.orglinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up2arrow-down6·5 days agoBeing under russian occupation.
minus-squaredavel [he/him]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up10arrow-down1·5 days agoI’m pretty sure being kidnapped off the streets and marched to front lines to die is worse, but okay.
Sure seems like they’re winning.
They’re not winning. They’re trying to prevent the worst.
Which would be?
Hm teenage pregnancy and vaping I guess?
Reasonably certain those are already present in Ukraine
Preventing the complete loss of their sovereignty—essentially preserving their nation in the face of aggression?
…so they should’ve taken the first peace deal in 2014 before Russia backed the Republics of donetsk and luhansk in their uprising?
Who guarantees that they get peace in return?
No one can ever guarantee anything, but Russia wouldn’t fuck with them if there’s an actual deal and they abide by it instead of violating it.
That’s a real big if, and history indicates it would be unlikely.
I understand the Ukrainians mistrust.
Why? They violated the previous treaty not Russia.
Let’s not forget who is attacking and who is defending…
Let’s not forget who broke their treaty precipitating the attack.
You give up a finger, russians have always taken the whole arm.
Being under russian occupation.
I’m pretty sure being kidnapped off the streets and marched to front lines to die is worse, but okay.