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I don’t trust Signal. Haven’t used it since it went down when people and capitol rioters fled WhatsApp and signed up. My understanding is it’s a brittle centralized system just like WhatsApp.
Imo, there are more components to trust than service reliability (iiuc) — eg: trust in the underlying protocol, trust in the governing body etc.
Is that an “agree” as in you hadn’t considered what I said, or that you agree to that in addition? If it was the latter, I should clarify that I wasn’t adding supplementary information — I was outlining what I thought was a flaw in your rationale (eg argument from ignorance) for distrust in Signal.
It’s an agree as in I don’t really feel like arguing with another user here. I don’t buy the point about metadata when Signal, a centralized service like Discord (why are we talking about Discord?), may be able to scrape it too. Or the point about anonymity when Signal is far from the right tool for that purpose too, see above “spams your contact list.”
For reliability, I’m not concerned with how much RAM Signal’s servers have. What I should have highlighted is that Signal can nuke your communications on accident / on purpose / under coercion. And it’s proven because they’ve already done it before. Mitigate that by having a backup system set up? That necessarily doubles your surface area for breaks in privacy or whatever a given user is worried about. So starting with Signal in the first place doesn’t make sense to me.
[…] starting with Signal in the first place doesn’t make sense to me.
If you have the means to choose something more secure/trustworthy/robust than Signal, then I think it would be in your best interest to do so! I personally would recommend SimpleX, if possible.
I don’t buy the point about metadata when Signal […] may be able to scrape it […]
I agree that it it within the realm of possibility, but, imo, this is independently verifiable, as the Signal apps are open-source [1][2][3] and offer reproducible builds (except iOS [2.1]) [1.1][3.1]. See this section on Signal’s metadata for some more concrete information [4].
Imo, there are more components to trust than service reliability (iiuc) — eg: trust in the underlying protocol, trust in the governing body etc.
Yes, I agree.
Is that an “agree” as in you hadn’t considered what I said, or that you agree to that in addition? If it was the latter, I should clarify that I wasn’t adding supplementary information — I was outlining what I thought was a flaw in your rationale (eg argument from ignorance) for distrust in Signal.
It’s an agree as in I don’t really feel like arguing with another user here. I don’t buy the point about metadata when Signal, a centralized service like Discord (why are we talking about Discord?), may be able to scrape it too. Or the point about anonymity when Signal is far from the right tool for that purpose too, see above “spams your contact list.”
For reliability, I’m not concerned with how much RAM Signal’s servers have. What I should have highlighted is that Signal can nuke your communications on accident / on purpose / under coercion. And it’s proven because they’ve already done it before. Mitigate that by having a backup system set up? That necessarily doubles your surface area for breaks in privacy or whatever a given user is worried about. So starting with Signal in the first place doesn’t make sense to me.
If you have the means to choose something more secure/trustworthy/robust than Signal, then I think it would be in your best interest to do so! I personally would recommend SimpleX, if possible.
Would you mind providing a source of this? This sounds interesting, and good to know.
I’m not sure that I understand this statement. What does RAM have to do with with Signal’s infrastructure reliability?
Are you referring to the possibility that they may be able to block communications, as they are a centralized service?
I agree that it it within the realm of possibility, but, imo, this is independently verifiable, as the Signal apps are open-source [1][2][3] and offer reproducible builds (except iOS [2.1]) [1.1][3.1]. See this section on Signal’s metadata for some more concrete information [4].
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