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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 4 months ago

Vladimir Putin is ready for summit with Donald Trump, says Kremlin

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Vladimir Putin is ready for summit with Donald Trump, says Kremlin

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to World News@lemmy.mlEnglish · 4 months ago
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US president-elect says meeting being set up, emphasising a push to end war in Ukraine

https://archive.ph/TAciV

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    It can definitely be both.

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      No, it can’t. And it’s not.

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        How so?

        There isnt any reason why it can’t be both, and in my opinion it very much is.

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          No. Trump is not employed by the Russian government and the idea he is is a conspiracy theory on par with pizzagate or birtherism.

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            Got any proof of that?

            Because if not, then you’re pushing your own conspiracy theory on par with pizzagate or birtherism.

            Trump is a known Russian asset.

            Want more? There’s more.

            America shit the bed, sure, absolutely. No disagreement here. This does not mean that we didn’t shit the bed with assistance.

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              Got any proof of that?

              • Wall Street Journal: Mueller Doesn’t Find Trump Campaign Conspired With Russia
              • Jacobin: Democrats and Mainstream Media Were the Real Kremlin Assets
              • Washington Post: FEC fines DNC, Clinton for violating rules in funding Steele dossier
              • President Donald J. Trump to Withdraw the United States from the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty
              • Trump administration pulls out of Open Skies treaty with Russia
              • CBC: How successive U.S. administrations resisted arming Ukraine Yet since the 2014 annexation of Crimea by Russia, the Obama, Trump and Biden administrations have all, to some degree, delayed or balked at sending lethal aid to Ukraine
              • Washington Post: Russian trolls on Twitter had little influence on 2016 voters
              • Jacobin: It Turns Out Hillary Clinton, Not Russian Bots, Lost the 2016 Election
              • Matt Taibbi: Move Over, Jayson Blair: Meet Hamilton 68, the New King of Media Fraud The Twitter Files reveal that one of the most common news sources of the Trump era was a scam, making ordinary American political conversations look like Russian spywork
              • Jacobin: Why the Twitter Files Are in Fact a Big Deal On the Left, there’s been a temptation to dismiss the revelations about Twitter’s internal censorship system that have emerged from the so-called Twitter Files project. But that would be a mistake: the news is important and the details are alarming.
              • MSNBC Repeats Hamilton 68 Lies 279 Times in 11 Minutes
              • Jeff Gerth at Columbia Journalism Review on Russiagate: Editor’s Note | Part one | Part two | Part three | Part four
              • Matt Taibbi: WMD, Part II: CIA “Cooked The Intelligence” To Hide That Russia Favored Clinton, Not Trump In 2016
              • Chris Hedges: Why Russiagate Won’t Go Away
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              So glad Kermit the Frog’s included in the monthly men’s magazine as a part of your damning “proof”, just in case anyone gets bored and wants to take a break from the US State Department slop you’re serving

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                “This article cannot be true because it contains an ad on the page” 🙄

                Yes that’s very sane and reasonable of you

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                  yes, normally that would be dumb and stupid… but guess what’s dumber and stupider? It’s entertaining this widely debunked copium, which is very much encapsulated with this dumb ad.

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                  Telling that you intend Davel’s post absolutely destroying yours.

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              Because if not, then you’re pushing your own conspiracy theory on par with pizzagate or birtherism.

              This might literally be the single stupidest attempt at a “no, U!” that anyone has ever done.

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              The claim over whether Donald Trump is officially employed by Russia misses the structural and materialist analysis of imperialism and class interests. The global capitalist class, particularly those in positions of concentrated wealth and power, does not require formal employment to align their actions or interests.

              Trump’s alignment with Putin’s authoritarian model and policies beneficial to Russia could easily stem from overlapping class interests, ideological affinity, or even strategic manipulation (eg., blackmail or kompromat). These dynamics are more indicative of how imperialist powers operate than any need for formal employment. To focus on whether Trump receives a paycheck from Moscow is to obfuscate the larger systemic issues: the shared objectives of reactionary elites to consolidate power and suppress working-class movements.

              Framing such alliances as conspiracies diverts attention from the deeper critique of capitalism and imperialism.

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            Removed by mod

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              not a “Russian Asset” although I personally think he is the latter. I would argue he is at the very least compromised by Russia.

              Ok, then I’m going to write you off as the mad conspiracy theorist that you are, no different to a QAnoner or a birtherist.

              And no, there are not “foreign issues that as imposing there will on the US.”, that’s wild projection.

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                It doesn’t surprise me that you would write someone off as a conspiracy theorist, so I don’t take much issues with your opinion on that.

                There is most certainly foreign issues imposing their will on the US, some are successful some are not. this is no different than another country, it’s how Geo-politics works.

                When Trump meets with putin, both sides will try to impose there policies on each other.

                Then there is the darker side of this with foreign propaganda being injected into things like social media to influence the opinion of the general public.

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