You lost all of the swing states, because of your bullshit hateful rhetoric.
Yeah, the folks who don’t want to deport people, don’t want to vilify trans people, and don’t want women to be treated like brood mares are the hateful ones 🙄
The point was, most people who voted Republican didn’t want those things either.
Trump is literally getting positive poll numbers right now because of his immigration policies. You’re just assuming things and you’re not actually bothering to check.
They haven’t even DONE them yet before you call them the enemy. But go ahead, keep losing the electorate. Stop being zealots and come back down to earth.
News flash, you aren’t arguing with Rush Limbaugh on the internet.
I’m not Rush Limbaugh, the next guy isn’t Rush Limbaugh…
AGAIN - this is NOT for people who have already chosen a “side”. I am talking about people who regularly flip between dem and republican. If voting R once EVER is enough for them to be written off forever…then that’s a losing strategy. If that’s your outlook on things, and you continue - then just understand that you should also be okay with losing those people as voters and shifting this country ever more toward the right because you can’t be calm and composed.
I mean, if they voted for republicans, they are villains in so far as one can be a villain.
But still for the sake of argument, what exactly do you count as villainization? Are we talking saying mean words or being critical of republican voters online? Are we talking about punching Nazis? Are we talking about cutting off friends and family from our personal lives for being politically repugnant?
If its the first thing, poor babies got their feelings hurt. Taking criticism or being shamed is not a reason to become worse. Thing is, the vast majority of vocal republican voters don’t even seem to indicate that they care anyway. They seem to embrace being considered bad people.
If its the second thing, maybe don’t wear Nazi uniforms, zieg heil, or draw swastikas on shit and they wont get punched. You know, stop being Nazis.
If its the final thing, we don’t owe these people our personal time. I’ve cut off my dad as much as I feasibly can and hes only a bandwagon republican rather than full MAGA. There is no chance in hell I’ll ever convince him to not vote republican. Fuck him, I don’t care if hes sad he doesn’t get to see me. Maybe he shouldn’t support fascists.
Damn okay - so no path to redemption in your book. I voted for a republican a long time go - so I’m a nazi now apparently. Well, since there’s no path to redemption, I guess I might as well continue voting for them, since voting Dem isn’t going to absolve me of anything.
(/s on my part obviously; but people seriously think this way)
I mean, if they voted for republicans, they are villains in so far as one can be a villain.
Sure, *you* didn’t in this particular scenario - but you got awfully close. That’s the point I’m making. The loud, extremist voices driving off otherwise reasonable people.
I’m ON your side. But you’re not on mine. Look at the overwhelming response here with the immediately pegging me into a “both sides” fallacy and then everyone attempting to argue me down as if that was my argument in the first place.
It’s straight up unreasonable - I’m one of the very few who will tolerate it to get my point across. Everyone else will leave much faster, and then just vote against you.
If someone is petty enough to vote for an evil that would make the earth a significantly worse place because they had strangers being mean to them online… they’re evil.
If enough people are like that, those dumb “Giant Comet 2024” bumper stickers have a point.
Further, it hardly matters anymore. Enough people were seemingly that petty, and now we might not even get another election for voting to even matter. Hell, it might barely matter anyway even if we somehow manage to still have elections, climate change is going to get significantly worse and Trump’s admin is going to if anything accelerate that.
So you’re saying that most people who voted for people who have made it clear they want to take away people’s human rights, don’t want those human rights to be taken away?
That’s like hearing someone say “if I had a hammer, I’d love to start bashing people I didn’t like with it, also eggs are expensive” and the guy next to him says “don’t give that guy a hammer, he means it” and still giving them a hammer because you agree that eggs are expensive and the other guy didn’t say anything about eggs.
So you’re saying that most people who voted for people who have made it clear they want to take away people’s human rights, don’t want those human rights to be taken away?
Okay, it’s clear logic isn’t your strong point…nevermind. No idea why I fucking try.
Hmmm. One side denies that my cousin should be allowed to exist in their body. How much should credence should I lend to that opinion. One side says that my gay friends aren’t allowed to get married. One side says that the women in my family should accept rape as a “gift from god”. One side says that my neighbors belong in a tent in Cuba. One side says that vaccines cause autism/inject nanobots into your bloodstream/sterilize your testicles/poison your blood.
No thanks. We’re in this mess because we keep pandering to the left side of the intelligence bell curve. We should tell these people that they are stupid and bigoted. Their caveman brains quite literally can’t comprehend the basic human decency and logic that refutes their ideas about society.
You’re so damn steeped in this that you aren’t seeing that this isn’t talking about “THE SIDES!”
This is talking about you failing to court people in the center who weren’t ON a side, and causing them to go Republican.
Swing voters determine elections. But when you keep calling them Nazis, and *-phobes, and claim they are the cause of everyone’s problems – THEY are GOING to vote for the party NOT calling them those things!
You can’t interact with the people who haven’t decided which way to vote and go “If you don’t vote for me you’re a fascist piece of shit, now vote for me”. That doesn’t work.
I’m not trying to convince anybody of anything except for to stop getting off topic. And to not call everyone Nazis just because they didn’t suck your dick, take the abuse, and ask for more after.
I am not talking about actual Nazis. There are plenty of those fucks in the areas I live in already. I’m talking about this black and white thinking that if someone thinks …I dunno - something innocuous like “Spending 200k on an Anthony Fauci Museum probably isn’t warranted”; and you blast off and immediately start lobbing accusations that they’re secretly a Trump supporter.
OK so in case my message wasn’t clear, it was that it doesn’t make much sense to criticize how people make everything about sides, then immediately follow that with “now let me tell you why YOUR side is to blame.”
It can lead people reading to think that you are either a conservative who doesn’t want to admit it, or are a so-called “enlightened centrist.”
But honestly, it sounds like this is about your personal experiences with assholes online. And obviously yes, people should not make assumptions about your opinions and definitely not be assholes about it.
One thing to note though, is that people who are very active in political discussions may have heard certain arguments many times before. They may already consider them debunked or they may know of some bad faith origins in the argument. This does NOT excuse their behavior, but it might you help make sense of why people jump down your throat on certain issues. (Which again they should not do)
Edit to add: The underlying problem here IMO is the artificial “bundling” of ideas you get with a two-party system. It’s why I’ve always refused to register for a political party.
They have to pick a side, so you court the center, by showing them that the SIDES aren’t event close to the same. Most most of the people here have no life savings, no hope for retirement, shit jobs that don’t pay living expenses… You know what the Republican messaging was this election? Hatians are going to eat your pets, trans people are going to assault your daughter in the bathroom, and FEMA is going to take your house. Meanwhile Dems were pitching home buying assistance, expanding healthcare, and fortifying human rights.
Turns out, we needed to call out the lying theiving bigots for being lying theiving bigots, otherwise the dumber half of the population is willing to vote for them. Full stop. End of story.
I voted for Harris, and encouraged everyone around me to vote for her too, but I’m tired of the whole “reaching across the aisle” approach when the other side of the aisle very publicly doesn’t seem interested in working together.
It’s also incredibly ironic that you haughtily preached civility and not “screaming” at people who disagree with you and then immediately resorted to insults and blame in response to a meme.
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Yeah, the folks who don’t want to deport people, don’t want to vilify trans people, and don’t want women to be treated like brood mares are the hateful ones 🙄
The point was, most people who voted Republican didn’t want those things either. But your villianization of them is what drove them that way.
Trump is literally getting positive poll numbers right now because of his immigration policies. You’re just assuming things and you’re not actually bothering to check.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-approval-opinion-poll-2025-2-9/
If they don’t want to be villainized for those things they should stop doing them.
It’s like someone punching you in the face and then punching you harder when you ask them to stop.
They haven’t even DONE them yet before you call them the enemy. But go ahead, keep losing the electorate. Stop being zealots and come back down to earth.
I’m sorry, but which side has turned insulting and demeaning the other side into a multi billion dollar industry?
I still remember listening to Rush Limbaugh call my parents traitors for being Democrats way back in the 90s.
So GTFO with the “they haven’t done anything.”
News flash, you aren’t arguing with Rush Limbaugh on the internet.
I’m not Rush Limbaugh, the next guy isn’t Rush Limbaugh…
AGAIN - this is NOT for people who have already chosen a “side”. I am talking about people who regularly flip between dem and republican. If voting R once EVER is enough for them to be written off forever…then that’s a losing strategy. If that’s your outlook on things, and you continue - then just understand that you should also be okay with losing those people as voters and shifting this country ever more toward the right because you can’t be calm and composed.
You sound like you feel really guilty
I mean, if they voted for republicans, they are villains in so far as one can be a villain.
But still for the sake of argument, what exactly do you count as villainization? Are we talking saying mean words or being critical of republican voters online? Are we talking about punching Nazis? Are we talking about cutting off friends and family from our personal lives for being politically repugnant?
If its the first thing, poor babies got their feelings hurt. Taking criticism or being shamed is not a reason to become worse. Thing is, the vast majority of vocal republican voters don’t even seem to indicate that they care anyway. They seem to embrace being considered bad people.
If its the second thing, maybe don’t wear Nazi uniforms, zieg heil, or draw swastikas on shit and they wont get punched. You know, stop being Nazis.
If its the final thing, we don’t owe these people our personal time. I’ve cut off my dad as much as I feasibly can and hes only a bandwagon republican rather than full MAGA. There is no chance in hell I’ll ever convince him to not vote republican. Fuck him, I don’t care if hes sad he doesn’t get to see me. Maybe he shouldn’t support fascists.
Damn okay - so no path to redemption in your book. I voted for a republican a long time go - so I’m a nazi now apparently. Well, since there’s no path to redemption, I guess I might as well continue voting for them, since voting Dem isn’t going to absolve me of anything.
(/s on my part obviously; but people seriously think this way)
Did I say you were Nazi?
Also I specified a starting point to redemption: Not voting republican.
Sure, *you* didn’t in this particular scenario - but you got awfully close. That’s the point I’m making. The loud, extremist voices driving off otherwise reasonable people.
I’m ON your side. But you’re not on mine. Look at the overwhelming response here with the immediately pegging me into a “both sides” fallacy and then everyone attempting to argue me down as if that was my argument in the first place.
It’s straight up unreasonable - I’m one of the very few who will tolerate it to get my point across. Everyone else will leave much faster, and then just vote against you.
If someone is petty enough to vote for an evil that would make the earth a significantly worse place because they had strangers being mean to them online… they’re evil.
If enough people are like that, those dumb “Giant Comet 2024” bumper stickers have a point.
Further, it hardly matters anymore. Enough people were seemingly that petty, and now we might not even get another election for voting to even matter. Hell, it might barely matter anyway even if we somehow manage to still have elections, climate change is going to get significantly worse and Trump’s admin is going to if anything accelerate that.
This is a fucking moronic take.
So you’re saying that most people who voted for people who have made it clear they want to take away people’s human rights, don’t want those human rights to be taken away?
That’s like hearing someone say “if I had a hammer, I’d love to start bashing people I didn’t like with it, also eggs are expensive” and the guy next to him says “don’t give that guy a hammer, he means it” and still giving them a hammer because you agree that eggs are expensive and the other guy didn’t say anything about eggs.
Okay, it’s clear logic isn’t your strong point…nevermind. No idea why I fucking try.
Hmmm. One side denies that my cousin should be allowed to exist in their body. How much should credence should I lend to that opinion. One side says that my gay friends aren’t allowed to get married. One side says that the women in my family should accept rape as a “gift from god”. One side says that my neighbors belong in a tent in Cuba. One side says that vaccines cause autism/inject nanobots into your bloodstream/sterilize your testicles/poison your blood.
No thanks. We’re in this mess because we keep pandering to the left side of the intelligence bell curve. We should tell these people that they are stupid and bigoted. Their caveman brains quite literally can’t comprehend the basic human decency and logic that refutes their ideas about society.
You’re so damn steeped in this that you aren’t seeing that this isn’t talking about “THE SIDES!”
This is talking about you failing to court people in the center who weren’t ON a side, and causing them to go Republican.
Swing voters determine elections. But when you keep calling them Nazis, and *-phobes, and claim they are the cause of everyone’s problems – THEY are GOING to vote for the party NOT calling them those things!
You can’t interact with the people who haven’t decided which way to vote and go “If you don’t vote for me you’re a fascist piece of shit, now vote for me”. That doesn’t work.
Do you see how your first paragraph:
…followed immediately by your second paragraph:
…might not be super convincing?
I’m not trying to convince anybody of anything except for to stop getting off topic. And to not call everyone Nazis just because they didn’t suck your dick, take the abuse, and ask for more after.
I am not talking about actual Nazis. There are plenty of those fucks in the areas I live in already. I’m talking about this black and white thinking that if someone thinks …I dunno - something innocuous like “Spending 200k on an Anthony Fauci Museum probably isn’t warranted”; and you blast off and immediately start lobbing accusations that they’re secretly a Trump supporter.
OK so in case my message wasn’t clear, it was that it doesn’t make much sense to criticize how people make everything about sides, then immediately follow that with “now let me tell you why YOUR side is to blame.”
It can lead people reading to think that you are either a conservative who doesn’t want to admit it, or are a so-called “enlightened centrist.”
But honestly, it sounds like this is about your personal experiences with assholes online. And obviously yes, people should not make assumptions about your opinions and definitely not be assholes about it.
One thing to note though, is that people who are very active in political discussions may have heard certain arguments many times before. They may already consider them debunked or they may know of some bad faith origins in the argument. This does NOT excuse their behavior, but it might you help make sense of why people jump down your throat on certain issues. (Which again they should not do)
Edit to add: The underlying problem here IMO is the artificial “bundling” of ideas you get with a two-party system. It’s why I’ve always refused to register for a political party.
They have to pick a side, so you court the center, by showing them that the SIDES aren’t event close to the same. Most most of the people here have no life savings, no hope for retirement, shit jobs that don’t pay living expenses… You know what the Republican messaging was this election? Hatians are going to eat your pets, trans people are going to assault your daughter in the bathroom, and FEMA is going to take your house. Meanwhile Dems were pitching home buying assistance, expanding healthcare, and fortifying human rights.
Turns out, we needed to call out the lying theiving bigots for being lying theiving bigots, otherwise the dumber half of the population is willing to vote for them. Full stop. End of story.
I voted for Harris, and encouraged everyone around me to vote for her too, but I’m tired of the whole “reaching across the aisle” approach when the other side of the aisle very publicly doesn’t seem interested in working together.
It’s also incredibly ironic that you haughtily preached civility and not “screaming” at people who disagree with you and then immediately resorted to insults and blame in response to a meme.
In their defense, the meme is also insulting
Definitely, but I’m not the one insisting “we just need to talk it out and then everything will be perfect”.
What is the alternative? Tens of millions of people are voting for nazis because of propaganda
I dont think constantly insulting them makes them stop voting for nazis
Collective action. But apparently that is too hard for most Americans.
But how do you convince people to do that?
You apparently don’t. Not in America. That’s the problem.
(Unless you believe a very obviously not stolen election was stolen. Then I guess it’s collective action time.)
I’m not saying insulting people will convince them of anything, but I don’t think trying to talk it out works either. I don’t know the solution.
The funny thing is you called them dumb, which is their own strategy to get you to agree with them. Surely they will agree with you now!
At this point I’m pretty convinced the DNC wants to lose. Constructed opposition. Like they can’t be this stupid.