Edit: I agree that conservatives are not necessarily fascists. It’s just that fascists have historically loved spitting into the same cup as conservatives and happily drinking the cup together. Moreover, fascists censor or assassinate people who dare to question the dogma that ‘corporations are never wrong’, that ‘ultra-nationalism is definitely not an excuse to exploit workers’, or that ‘some people aren’t people’. Conservatives have, historically, been more than happy with the censorship or the assassination of those who point out that fascists are irresponsible, that fascists are obsessed with the shape of their belly-buttons, or that fascists are scared of anyone who doesn’t fit into the tiny conceptual boxes that fascists have in their head.
It sounds as if, for you, fascism means censoring or banning others, or at the very least banning conservatives. Do you really believe that’s what it means? Is every person who censors or bans others (or at least conservatives) a fascist?
The neoliberal and pro-capitalist dictator Pinochet gathered thousands of people in stadiums and would torture or execute them. The same neoliberal and pro-capitalist dictator would wrap people in wire and railroad parts, and send them on a death-trip on helicopter to be dropped in a river to their deaths.
If the president of China gathered people in stadiums and tortured them or executed them, would that be neoliberalism or pro-capitalism? If the president of China wrapped people in wire or railroad parts, and sent them on a death-trip on helicopter to be dropped in a river to their deaths, would that be neoliberalism or pro-capitalism?
If the above is too complicated, here’s the simple version: Let’s say I have a table that’s held together by screws. Furthermore, let’s say I also have a calculator that’s held together by screws. Is it accurate to say that, since both have screws, both are tables?
Putting the definition of fascism aside, do you know the paradox of tolerance?
Ah. You bring up a good point. I see how my previous comments were not accurate. I edited one of them and I’ll copy the edit here:
I agree that conservatives are not necessarily fascists. It’s just that fascists have historically loved spitting into the same cup as conservatives and happily drinking the cup together. Moreover, fascists censor or assassinate people who dare to question the dogma that ‘corporations are never wrong’, that ‘ultra-nationalism is definitely not an excuse to exploit workers’, or that ‘some people aren’t people’. Conservatives have, historically, been more than happy with the censorship or the assassination of anti-fascists.
Just to be clear, since the word fascism is the one we’re talking about: Who are anti-fascists? People who point out that the fascist emperor has no clothes. Who are anti-fascists? People who point out that fascists at the very least make mistakes like any other human (and at most are genocidal, radical, maniacs). Who are anti-fascists? People who point out that fascists are obsessed with the shape of their belly-buttons. Who are anti-fascists? People who point out that fascists are scared of anyone who doesn’t fit into the tiny conceptual boxes that fascists have in their tiny heads.
I also understand that, in some groups, the historically-informed definition of fascism (as tied to capitalism, ultra-nationalism, and the dehumanization of people) is ignored. The word is used as a paint-ball gun to paint anything that they don’t like with the word “fascism”.
To the extent that fascism is tied to its ‘corporations are never wrong’, ‘ultra-nationalism is definitely not an excuse to exploit workers’, 'or its ‘some people aren’t people’ roots, the label “fascist” fits Trump just like Cinderella’s shoe fits her foot. And, given the paradox of tolerance, it would make sense to defend tolerance from fascists and therefore protect democracy from fascists.
I agree that conservatives are not necessarily fascists. It’s just that fascists have historically loved spitting into the same cup as conservatives and happily drinking the cup together.
Ok, now I can accept that opinion.
Conservatives have, historically, been more than happy with the censorship
I’m seeing LOTS of Lemmy leaning that way. Just look at this thread. People are saying I’m a conservative so I should be banned. For posting links to news articles from major news orgs. Which if people just blocked c/conservative and c/politicsunifltered, they wouldn’t see anyway. Not to mention that no one is making them click on the links.
I am not pro-fascist. I am pro-speech. I don’t think I should be banned for posting a news article about Trump, from APNews to a c/conservative community.
I think you and I, agree on more stuff than we disagree on. I actually voted Socialist Workers Party, and I created and mod Socialst Workers Party communities, run a mastadon instance for them and their x.com account.
That sounds like a fascist idea.
Being anti-fascist sounds like a fascist idea?
Edit: I agree that conservatives are not necessarily fascists. It’s just that fascists have historically loved spitting into the same cup as conservatives and happily drinking the cup together. Moreover, fascists censor or assassinate people who dare to question the dogma that ‘corporations are never wrong’, that ‘ultra-nationalism is definitely not an excuse to exploit workers’, or that ‘some people aren’t people’. Conservatives have, historically, been more than happy with the censorship or the assassination of those who point out that fascists are irresponsible, that fascists are obsessed with the shape of their belly-buttons, or that fascists are scared of anyone who doesn’t fit into the tiny conceptual boxes that fascists have in their head.
Huh, that’s strange.
I have no record of the comment you’re replying to, and I only block fascists and liars.
Cool. I am neither, so looks like you block more than that.
Banning people just because they are conservative sure does. The person I replied to said: “that autobans American conservatives.”
It sounds as if, for you, fascism means censoring or banning others, or at the very least banning conservatives. Do you really believe that’s what it means? Is every person who censors or bans others (or at least conservatives) a fascist?
The neoliberal and pro-capitalist dictator Pinochet gathered thousands of people in stadiums and would torture or execute them. The same neoliberal and pro-capitalist dictator would wrap people in wire and railroad parts, and send them on a death-trip on helicopter to be dropped in a river to their deaths.
If the president of China gathered people in stadiums and tortured them or executed them, would that be neoliberalism or pro-capitalism? If the president of China wrapped people in wire or railroad parts, and sent them on a death-trip on helicopter to be dropped in a river to their deaths, would that be neoliberalism or pro-capitalism?
If the above is too complicated, here’s the simple version: Let’s say I have a table that’s held together by screws. Furthermore, let’s say I also have a calculator that’s held together by screws. Is it accurate to say that, since both have screws, both are tables?
Putting the definition of fascism aside, do you know the paradox of tolerance?
Is every American conservative and/or Republican a fascist? Because that’s what I’m arguing against.
Ah. You bring up a good point. I see how my previous comments were not accurate. I edited one of them and I’ll copy the edit here:
I agree that conservatives are not necessarily fascists. It’s just that fascists have historically loved spitting into the same cup as conservatives and happily drinking the cup together. Moreover, fascists censor or assassinate people who dare to question the dogma that ‘corporations are never wrong’, that ‘ultra-nationalism is definitely not an excuse to exploit workers’, or that ‘some people aren’t people’. Conservatives have, historically, been more than happy with the censorship or the assassination of anti-fascists.
Just to be clear, since the word fascism is the one we’re talking about: Who are anti-fascists? People who point out that the fascist emperor has no clothes. Who are anti-fascists? People who point out that fascists at the very least make mistakes like any other human (and at most are genocidal, radical, maniacs). Who are anti-fascists? People who point out that fascists are obsessed with the shape of their belly-buttons. Who are anti-fascists? People who point out that fascists are scared of anyone who doesn’t fit into the tiny conceptual boxes that fascists have in their tiny heads.
I also understand that, in some groups, the historically-informed definition of fascism (as tied to capitalism, ultra-nationalism, and the dehumanization of people) is ignored. The word is used as a paint-ball gun to paint anything that they don’t like with the word “fascism”.
To the extent that fascism is tied to its ‘corporations are never wrong’, ‘ultra-nationalism is definitely not an excuse to exploit workers’, 'or its ‘some people aren’t people’ roots, the label “fascist” fits Trump just like Cinderella’s shoe fits her foot. And, given the paradox of tolerance, it would make sense to defend tolerance from fascists and therefore protect democracy from fascists.
Ok, now I can accept that opinion.
I’m seeing LOTS of Lemmy leaning that way. Just look at this thread. People are saying I’m a conservative so I should be banned. For posting links to news articles from major news orgs. Which if people just blocked c/conservative and c/politicsunifltered, they wouldn’t see anyway. Not to mention that no one is making them click on the links.
I am not pro-fascist. I am pro-speech. I don’t think I should be banned for posting a news article about Trump, from APNews to a c/conservative community.
I think you and I, agree on more stuff than we disagree on. I actually voted Socialist Workers Party, and I created and mod Socialst Workers Party communities, run a mastadon instance for them and their x.com account.
Sure if you can’t define fascism