Not really “powertripping”. Just pathetic. Consider this a notice to avoid feddit.org… I’ve unsubbed and blocked the instance.

We can’t dehumanize fascists for their choice to dehumanize everyone for things outside their control though, because that would be mean, and hurt their sociopath feefees!

Europe stool idly by throughout the 1930’s “tolerating” fascism, and the Nazi’s killed over 100 million people. Don’t make the same mistake as the radical centrists of history. Fascists will not afford you the same tolerance or courtesy.

  • bestboyfriendintheworldEnglish
    45·
    5 days ago

    Once a war has started, killing is morally acceptable, not before. Even then, only if it’s necessary to achieve military objectives. You don’t kill people for their ideological beliefs, but to stop their ability to act and remove them from power. Mass murder can never be the goal for anyone who believes in human rights.

    Wars aren’t won by killing soldiers. They are won by stopping the enemy‘s ability to act. An army can’t fight without fuel, food, and ammunition.

      • bestboyfriendintheworldEnglish
        3·
        4 days ago

        That follows very clearly from the declaration of human rights and international humanitarian law. It’s not contradictory at all.

        • Senal@slrpnk.net
          11·
          4 days ago

          Firstly, citation? because as i understand it “killing is morally acceptable in war” isn’t in the universal declaration of human rights.

          Secondly, even if it was, there is no magic attribute of those declarations that makes them immune to contradiction.

          • bestboyfriendintheworld
            21·
            4 days ago

            there is no magic attribute of those declarations that makes them immune to contradiction.

            Rights need to balanced against each other in practice of course.

            killing is morally acceptable in war” isn’t in the universal declaration of human rights

            You can find that in international humanitarian law.

            • Senal@slrpnk.net
              1·
              4 days ago

              Rights need to balanced against each other in practice of course.

              So contradiction is possible as i have said and balance would require contextual interpretation, in practice.

              Absolute statements such as :

              Once a war has started, killing is morally acceptable, not before.

              and

              You don’t kill people for their ideological beliefs, but to stop their ability to act and remove them from power.

              Can be contradictory, depending on context.

              I wasn’t challenging your interpretation, though i do think it’s naive and idealistic to the point of impracticality, i was pointing out that your statements could be considered contradictory.

              While I’m at it, i missed a false dichotomy as well :

              Wars aren’t won by killing soldiers. They are won by stopping the enemy‘s ability to act.

              Those things are not mutually exclusive.

              You can find that in international humanitarian law.

              That’s a large amount of text to sift through, if you could give me a hint to where it specifies moral authority before and after an official declaration of war i’d appreciate it.

              • bestboyfriendintheworldEnglish
                2·
                4 days ago

                Seems we agree mostly.

                A formal declaration of war isn’t necessary for international humanitarian law (IHL) to apply. Geneva Convention article 2

                the present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict which may arise between two or more of the High Contracting Parties, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them.

                Declaring wars has fallen out of practice since the foundation of the UN, whose Charta makes wars of Agression illegal. IHL, e.g. Geneva Conventions, also applies to non international armed conflicts.

                The best resource to learn about IHL is the database of the International Committee of the Red Cross.

                • Senal@slrpnk.net
                  1·
                  4 days ago

                  I saw the parts about the declaration of war, i was specifically looking for the part from which you pulled :

                  Once a war has started, killing is morally acceptable, not before.

                  • bestboyfriendintheworldEnglish
                    2·
                    4 days ago

                    You are right, that this is overly condensed and can be misunderstood.

                    Killing isn’t universally allowed in warfare either. As in you can‘t kill prisoners of war or civilians for example.

                    Let’s put it in another way. Killing is the last resort, when milder actions fail.

                    Let’s say your goal is to keep Nazis from gaining power. There are lots of things you can and should do besides mass murder. It’s an ideology after all and people’s minds can be changed.