I clearly had “moved populations around to wipe out ethnic locals” in my first post. I’m sorry if you can’t understand that to mean that USSR was doing a genocide (killing) a lot of the enthic minorities and replacing them with their main ethnic group. It’s one reason why Russia today keeps saying that countries adjacent to them (who were former USSR like Ukraine) are ethnically Russians and belong as part of the Russian state.
I clearly had “moved populations around to wipe out ethnic locals” in my first post.
Forced migration is not the same as killing. Are you trying to say it is? Was that what everyone was supposed to automatically understand as part of your still instated point?
I’m sorry if you can’t understand that to mean that USSR was doing a genocide (killing) a lot of the enthic minorities and replacing them with their main ethnic group.
So is that your point? You see a graph of Estonian population decline starting around the fall of the USSR and say it has something to do with the USSR killing ethnic minorities and replacing them? First, that was opaque. Second, tell me those that happened around 1990, O Great Sleuth.
It’s one reason why Russia today keeps saying that countries adjacent to them (who were former USSR like Ukraine) are ethnically Russians and belong as part of the Russian state.
It actually is not. And the USSR itself was pivotal in the creation of the Ukrainian identity and republic, per Lenin’s advocacy for semi-autonomous member states for, get this, ethnic minorities. Eastern Ukraine has had ethnic Russians (previously termed things like Muscovites or Cissacks depending on how uou wsnt to split hairs) for hundreds of years, primarily moving there after proto-Russia pushed out Nogais. In terms of displacing ethnic Ukrainians, this primarily occurred by anticommunist Poland during the civil war following the October Revolution where surrounding powers invaded the former Russian Empire. Poland took large regions to their East and South and forced Ukrainians out of acquired lands. This contributed to Ukrainian nationalist revanchism that ended up rhetorically fueling Banderites, who killed masses of ethnic Poles when given the chance - which was ended by the Soviets. Incidentally, modern Estonia supports modern Banderites.
So tell me more about your theory of what happened around 1990.
Kindly pick up some reading comprehension.
Oh I have no trouble with this. You just speak like a Redditor, expecting people to fill in your vague emotional content with their own context. Please do some self-criticism in this regard. Note that we are 3 comments in and you have yet to clearly make a point about what this has to do with OP’s graph.
I notice you’re not going after OP for his vague title with picture, but I’m fair game.
To make it abundantly clear (which you can infer from the other chart posted in the thread), the population change was mostly non-Latvians entering before the USSR splintered and leaving afterwards. I made a reference to habits in that region of wiping out locals and replacing them with ethnic “russians” to rebut the vague sarcastic “the decline was after the USSR splintered so communism=good” title.
I notice you’re not going after OP for his vague title with picture, but I’m fair game.
OP is just noting that “under communism” the population was increasing and aftetwards it was decreasing. And making a joke about some anticommunist orgs. Easy to understand for the intended audience. Happy to explain more if you don’t understand.
To make it abundantly clear (which you can infer from the other chart posted in the thread), the population change was mostly non-Latvians entering before the USSR splintered and leaving afterwards.
Yes someone posted a graph from Wikipedia. It refers to ethnicity. And it does not discriminate between entering, leaving, or having children / dying, though a lot is likely migration.
This was your point? It seems like a pointless fact.
I made a reference to habits in that region of wiping out locals and replacing them with ethnic “russians” to rebut the vague sarcastic “the decline was after the USSR splintered so communism=good” title.
Oh? Is that what the graphs are showing? Tell me about the ethnic cleansing of Latvians from 1970-1990.
Or were you saying something that has nothing to do with either graphic? Are you confused about timelines or are you confused about events? It’s one or the other.
Was that clear enough?
Well I still don’t see any coherent point so I’m going to go with no. You also ignored everything I said in my reply. So I think you should consider working on your communication skills.
And I was noting that the USSR had a tendency to shift their ethnic populations around to wipe out (still don’t understand how you took that term to mean anything other than killing local populations, it’s “wipe out” as in “erase”) other local ethnic populations. We saw the numbers increase until the USSR splintered and then fall off because there was no longer a system to support that shifting of ethnic populations.
This crowd should know about it unless they only believe in or talk about the beneficial parts of communism and ignore the ugly parts that regularly get implemented.
I clearly had “moved populations around to wipe out ethnic locals” in my first post. I’m sorry if you can’t understand that to mean that USSR was doing a genocide (killing) a lot of the enthic minorities and replacing them with their main ethnic group. It’s one reason why Russia today keeps saying that countries adjacent to them (who were former USSR like Ukraine) are ethnically Russians and belong as part of the Russian state.
Kindly pick up some reading comprehension.
Forced migration is not the same as killing. Are you trying to say it is? Was that what everyone was supposed to automatically understand as part of your still instated point?
So is that your point? You see a graph of Estonian population decline starting around the fall of the USSR and say it has something to do with the USSR killing ethnic minorities and replacing them? First, that was opaque. Second, tell me those that happened around 1990, O Great Sleuth.
It actually is not. And the USSR itself was pivotal in the creation of the Ukrainian identity and republic, per Lenin’s advocacy for semi-autonomous member states for, get this, ethnic minorities. Eastern Ukraine has had ethnic Russians (previously termed things like Muscovites or Cissacks depending on how uou wsnt to split hairs) for hundreds of years, primarily moving there after proto-Russia pushed out Nogais. In terms of displacing ethnic Ukrainians, this primarily occurred by anticommunist Poland during the civil war following the October Revolution where surrounding powers invaded the former Russian Empire. Poland took large regions to their East and South and forced Ukrainians out of acquired lands. This contributed to Ukrainian nationalist revanchism that ended up rhetorically fueling Banderites, who killed masses of ethnic Poles when given the chance - which was ended by the Soviets. Incidentally, modern Estonia supports modern Banderites.
So tell me more about your theory of what happened around 1990.
Oh I have no trouble with this. You just speak like a Redditor, expecting people to fill in your vague emotional content with their own context. Please do some self-criticism in this regard. Note that we are 3 comments in and you have yet to clearly make a point about what this has to do with OP’s graph.
I notice you’re not going after OP for his vague title with picture, but I’m fair game.
To make it abundantly clear (which you can infer from the other chart posted in the thread), the population change was mostly non-Latvians entering before the USSR splintered and leaving afterwards. I made a reference to habits in that region of wiping out locals and replacing them with ethnic “russians” to rebut the vague sarcastic “the decline was after the USSR splintered so communism=good” title.
Was that clear enough?
OP is just noting that “under communism” the population was increasing and aftetwards it was decreasing. And making a joke about some anticommunist orgs. Easy to understand for the intended audience. Happy to explain more if you don’t understand.
Yes someone posted a graph from Wikipedia. It refers to ethnicity. And it does not discriminate between entering, leaving, or having children / dying, though a lot is likely migration.
This was your point? It seems like a pointless fact.
Oh? Is that what the graphs are showing? Tell me about the ethnic cleansing of Latvians from 1970-1990.
Or were you saying something that has nothing to do with either graphic? Are you confused about timelines or are you confused about events? It’s one or the other.
Well I still don’t see any coherent point so I’m going to go with no. You also ignored everything I said in my reply. So I think you should consider working on your communication skills.
And I was noting that the USSR had a tendency to shift their ethnic populations around to wipe out (still don’t understand how you took that term to mean anything other than killing local populations, it’s “wipe out” as in “erase”) other local ethnic populations. We saw the numbers increase until the USSR splintered and then fall off because there was no longer a system to support that shifting of ethnic populations. This crowd should know about it unless they only believe in or talk about the beneficial parts of communism and ignore the ugly parts that regularly get implemented.