To be blunt, many people haven’t actually forgotten the left chanting for the destruction of Canada while tearing down monuments to it’s history. You can sing the anthem and wave the flag now, but if you don’t address the overt antagonism championed by political leaders not so very long ago, don’t expect them to feel warm and fuzzy about you. People who have loved Canada the whole time, and don’t get swayed in that by social media, have been hurt severely by many people’s words and actions.
To be blunt, many people haven’t actually forgotten the left chanting for the destruction of Canada while tearing down monuments to it’s history.
There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about wanting to acknowledge the wrong doings of your country (such as the kidnapping of aboriginal children and the stripping of cultural identity of aboriginal people), removing statues of racist (along with those who actively encouraged and supported said kidnappings), and still being proud to be Canadian (a peace keeping nation that believes all residents have the right to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms).
Those things are not mutually exclusive, and the fact that you think they are says a lot about who you are.
People who have loved Canada the whole time
Oh the same people who endangered thousands of other Canadians by going around maskless during a pandemic, having zero fucks if they infected a senior or an immune suppressed individual? Or are they the people who blocked off roads, preventing businesses from operating and causing an absolute mess everywhere they went? Or maybe you’re referring to the ones who attacked fellow Canadians because of how they looked?
What about any of those actions are you proud of? Which of those actions would you deem patriotic and reflects Canada?
don’t get swayed in that by social media
Please tell me you’re kidding? Not swayed by social media? The whole “freedom convey” shit was literal social media movement.
And this particular moment in our country isn’t about some posts on social media; it’s about another country’s threats to annex our country. This about another country threatening our sovereignty.
You wanna keep picking fights with people who believe in accountability and want to better our country, by all means go for it, but NOT. RIGHT NOW.
Pick this fight when our country isn’t being threatened. You wanna go off about being patriotic, maybe act it during a time when it actually matters.
I didn’t pick this fight. You can’t ignore yesterday just because it makes you feel bad. Canada is in dire straights because idiots have been eating up divisive propaganda, and even now continue to antagonize those which they would need to rely upon if there were a serious conflict with the US, in this very thread. Unity isn’t something you demand when it’s convenient. It’s something you have to work towards earnestly over time. Alberta is looking elsewhere right now specifically because of how the rest of Canada has treated them, and continues to treat them. And now, idiots are positioned to vote in, once again, the government which not very long ago they whole heartedly agreed had decimated Canada. Overwhelmingly, the Liberals have been a persistent threat to Canada’s survival for a solid decade now.
If this is a bad time for controversy, then stop demanding it.
To be blunt, believing that criticizing the actions of the government against minorities and being critical of the actions of people in the past because you got used to a hunk of stone or metal existing is fucking stupid, and being wounded because some names you were forced to read in some books you never bothered to understand have been called kind of shit people is wildly weak sauce.
You don’t understand what people have been complaining about, or even what “the left” is. Maybe you should consider the idea that you know fuck all, and actually listen to the grown ups in the room when they’re discussing issues of history and sociology.
Wanking over white power is neither history nor culture. Not understanding that that’s what you’re doing doesn’t make you informed, interesting, or smart.
forgotten the left chanting for the destruction of Canada while tearing down monuments to it’s history
So the radical left. Whereas the radical right is chanting for the death of anyone who isn’t a white man or his child bearing wife. Should we be attributing the views and actions of the radicals to the quiet majorities?
Danielle Smith is a traitor in spirit if not by law, she is trying to sell this country out to a racist, bigoted mouthpiece working for his billionaire friends.
My guy. People don’t appreciate idiots LARPing as revolutionaries one day, then LARPing as patriots the next. And I’m not just talking about one incident.
To add to this, the difference between a Patriot and a Nationalist is the difference between “What can I do for my country?” and “What can my country do for me?”
It absolutely makes sense for a Patriot to be critical of what’s wrong with her or his country because they want it to be better, whilst Nationalists who just want to gain from the prestige of their country are absolutelly against anything that would damage said prestige.
Far-right nutters are invariably either Nationalist or, as in this case, Traitors.
Nationalists lie to themselves about others. Patriots lie to themselves about themselves. Both only exist for the purpose of moral licensing enabling bad behaviour.
Tribalism in general is a pretty bad idea, IMHO - if you’re going around with an us vs them mindset and with double standards for the words and actions of those from the us group versus everybody else, you’re not being ethical or moral, just a hypocrite and/or useful idiot.
That said, even amongst tribalists there are different ways of relating to others in the us and even other groups, depending on whether one has a protective/cooperative mindset backing their wanting to belong in a group (roughly “we’re better together”) or an extractive mindset (roughly “together we can force others to do what we want”) - it’s roughly the difference between a neighbourhood sports association and a criminal gang.
(Further, you can have the first kind of drive to be in a group, without being tribalist about it).
When what defines the group is the nation one was born in, those with the former mindset tend to be patriots and those with the latter nationalists.
I really wish people would stop thinking of left and right, or blue and red or whatever. It makes it so people can take the shitty actions of one side eons ago to justify sometimes even worse actions later.
“You think this is bad. The other side did this totally unrelated bad thing that one time, so this is ok!!”
Danielle Trump is the topic and she is not ok. No amount of baddie talk about whoever you deem is worse changes that.
My guy, it’s not some ancient history by a fringe group. Trudeau himself was so far into it that he literally accused his own government of committing an active genocide.
“Framing genocide in Canada as an accumulation of actions and omissions over decades, the report says…”
Trudeau acknowledged it, but this is not strictly a Liberal or Conservative thing. If you think it is, you need to do some research
Using unrelated things to justify something bad, isn’t good.
You can bring up whatever you want, from whenever, involving whomever. None of it makes the current premier of Alberta any less of a traitor to Canada.
Even when someone actually tries to discuss Canada’s issues, you just dismiss it out of hand by using a wild imagination to pretend they’ve said something completely different from what was actually said. You call for unity, but then refuse to actually pursue it.
Votes are a terrible indication of truth anyways, which was easily seen in this thread, where the video I posted of a far left riot tearing down a statue of the first Prime Minister was purely upvoted for a while, until I guess someone actually watched it and realized what it really was. The hive mind is not intelligent.
To be blunt, many people haven’t actually forgotten the left chanting for the destruction of Canada while tearing down monuments to it’s history. You can sing the anthem and wave the flag now, but if you don’t address the overt antagonism championed by political leaders not so very long ago, don’t expect them to feel warm and fuzzy about you. People who have loved Canada the whole time, and don’t get swayed in that by social media, have been hurt severely by many people’s words and actions.
There is absolutely nothing hypocritical about wanting to acknowledge the wrong doings of your country (such as the kidnapping of aboriginal children and the stripping of cultural identity of aboriginal people), removing statues of racist (along with those who actively encouraged and supported said kidnappings), and still being proud to be Canadian (a peace keeping nation that believes all residents have the right to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms).
Those things are not mutually exclusive, and the fact that you think they are says a lot about who you are.
Oh the same people who endangered thousands of other Canadians by going around maskless during a pandemic, having zero fucks if they infected a senior or an immune suppressed individual? Or are they the people who blocked off roads, preventing businesses from operating and causing an absolute mess everywhere they went? Or maybe you’re referring to the ones who attacked fellow Canadians because of how they looked?
What about any of those actions are you proud of? Which of those actions would you deem patriotic and reflects Canada?
Please tell me you’re kidding? Not swayed by social media? The whole “freedom convey” shit was literal social media movement.
And this particular moment in our country isn’t about some posts on social media; it’s about another country’s threats to annex our country. This about another country threatening our sovereignty.
You wanna keep picking fights with people who believe in accountability and want to better our country, by all means go for it, but NOT. RIGHT NOW.
Pick this fight when our country isn’t being threatened. You wanna go off about being patriotic, maybe act it during a time when it actually matters.
I didn’t pick this fight. You can’t ignore yesterday just because it makes you feel bad. Canada is in dire straights because idiots have been eating up divisive propaganda, and even now continue to antagonize those which they would need to rely upon if there were a serious conflict with the US, in this very thread. Unity isn’t something you demand when it’s convenient. It’s something you have to work towards earnestly over time. Alberta is looking elsewhere right now specifically because of how the rest of Canada has treated them, and continues to treat them. And now, idiots are positioned to vote in, once again, the government which not very long ago they whole heartedly agreed had decimated Canada. Overwhelmingly, the Liberals have been a persistent threat to Canada’s survival for a solid decade now.
If this is a bad time for controversy, then stop demanding it.
To be blunt, believing that criticizing the actions of the government against minorities and being critical of the actions of people in the past because you got used to a hunk of stone or metal existing is fucking stupid, and being wounded because some names you were forced to read in some books you never bothered to understand have been called kind of shit people is wildly weak sauce.
You don’t understand what people have been complaining about, or even what “the left” is. Maybe you should consider the idea that you know fuck all, and actually listen to the grown ups in the room when they’re discussing issues of history and sociology.
Wanking over white power is neither history nor culture. Not understanding that that’s what you’re doing doesn’t make you informed, interesting, or smart.
So the radical left. Whereas the radical right is chanting for the death of anyone who isn’t a white man or his child bearing wife. Should we be attributing the views and actions of the radicals to the quiet majorities?
Danielle Smith is a traitor in spirit if not by law, she is trying to sell this country out to a racist, bigoted mouthpiece working for his billionaire friends.
I’m interested to see the videos of right wing mobs chanting for such.
You talk as if the statue fell on you.
My guy. People don’t appreciate idiots LARPing as revolutionaries one day, then LARPing as patriots the next. And I’m not just talking about one incident.
Part of loving your country is wanting it to be better.
To add to this, the difference between a Patriot and a Nationalist is the difference between “What can I do for my country?” and “What can my country do for me?”
It absolutely makes sense for a Patriot to be critical of what’s wrong with her or his country because they want it to be better, whilst Nationalists who just want to gain from the prestige of their country are absolutelly against anything that would damage said prestige.
Far-right nutters are invariably either Nationalist or, as in this case, Traitors.
Nationalists lie to themselves about others. Patriots lie to themselves about themselves. Both only exist for the purpose of moral licensing enabling bad behaviour.
Tribalism in general is a pretty bad idea, IMHO - if you’re going around with an us vs them mindset and with double standards for the words and actions of those from the us group versus everybody else, you’re not being ethical or moral, just a hypocrite and/or useful idiot.
That said, even amongst tribalists there are different ways of relating to others in the us and even other groups, depending on whether one has a protective/cooperative mindset backing their wanting to belong in a group (roughly “we’re better together”) or an extractive mindset (roughly “together we can force others to do what we want”) - it’s roughly the difference between a neighbourhood sports association and a criminal gang.
(Further, you can have the first kind of drive to be in a group, without being tribalist about it).
When what defines the group is the nation one was born in, those with the former mindset tend to be patriots and those with the latter nationalists.
Taking down statues is not revolutionary and you haven’t shown that any of the same people are involved in any of this.
Traitor
Seems like.you don’t understand what you are talking about.
My dude, what in the absolute fuck are you even talk about. You are not Canadian. You are a disgusting fucking traitor
I really wish people would stop thinking of left and right, or blue and red or whatever. It makes it so people can take the shitty actions of one side eons ago to justify sometimes even worse actions later.
“You think this is bad. The other side did this totally unrelated bad thing that one time, so this is ok!!”
Danielle Trump is the topic and she is not ok. No amount of baddie talk about whoever you deem is worse changes that.
My guy, it’s not some ancient history by a fringe group. Trudeau himself was so far into it that he literally accused his own government of committing an active genocide.
“I don’t know what genocide is, so fuck the ‘left’” is a hell of a take. Definitely doesn’t paint you out to be unworthy of listening to on anything.
Not my word
“Framing genocide in Canada as an accumulation of actions and omissions over decades, the report says…” Trudeau acknowledged it, but this is not strictly a Liberal or Conservative thing. If you think it is, you need to do some research
Not seeing “my own government is actively committing genocide” in your source. Can you show that to me?
You are missing the point.
Using unrelated things to justify something bad, isn’t good.
You can bring up whatever you want, from whenever, involving whomever. None of it makes the current premier of Alberta any less of a traitor to Canada.
When the question is Canadian unity, a history of championing the destruction of Canada is in no way what so ever irrelevant.
Again. Attempting to deflect.
If your strongest argument for her is things others have done. You might want to find someone else to defend.
You are a traitor
I’ve hated Americans my whole life and never tore down a monument, the fuck are you on? I don’t care about some statue somewhere
Voting suggests your dog whistles are too audible.
Even when someone actually tries to discuss Canada’s issues, you just dismiss it out of hand by using a wild imagination to pretend they’ve said something completely different from what was actually said. You call for unity, but then refuse to actually pursue it.
Votes are a terrible indication of truth anyways, which was easily seen in this thread, where the video I posted of a far left riot tearing down a statue of the first Prime Minister was purely upvoted for a while, until I guess someone actually watched it and realized what it really was. The hive mind is not intelligent.
who do you even think you are speaking to right now?? cuz it’s not me.