Tulsi Gabbard left no doubt when she testified to Congress about Iran’s nuclear program earlier this year.

The country was not building a nuclear weapon, the national intelligence director told lawmakers, and its supreme leader had not reauthorized the dormant program even though it had enriched uranium to higher levels.

But Donald Trump dismissed the assessment of U.S. spy agencies during an overnight flight back to Washington as he cut short his trip to the Group of Seven summit to focus on the escalating conflict between Israel and Iran.

“I don’t care what she said,” Trump told reporters. In his view, Iran was “very close” to having a nuclear bomb.

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    Are we now choosing to believe what Tulsi says because it fits the narrative?

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      The alternative is believing Israel’s government…

      And they’re an openly genocidal far right government made up of violent religious extremists…

      Like, America is bad right now

      But Israel has been on some straight up Nazi shit for a while now, because both Biden and Trump let Israel do whatever

      Saying Iran isn’t building nukes is the most pushback Israel has gotten since Obama was in office

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          He’s doing horrible shit…

          But he hasn’t been actively committing a genocide like Israel has.

          If you think trump is doing as bad of shit as Israel. You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

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            He’s neck deep in supporting Israels Genocide, I would call that “actively committing”

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              The alternative is believing Israel’s government…

              That’s what you replied too…

              If I now said:

              Everclear is the best 90s rock band

              Does that mean that’s the only topic you’re allowed to respond to now? If you mentioned Nirvana could I tell you I never mentioned them so the band is verboten?

              Maybe I’m just having a bad morning, but this shit is getting ridiculous

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                It’s definitely not you. This shit happened (and is still happening) on Reddit all the time, it’s like there will always be a sizeable population that doesn’t understand the concept of context and how replies to a thread are never standalone but always within the ongoing context of the thread. If they want to make a standalone comment, make a separate comment thread. But somehow that’s too advanced of a concept for them to grasp.

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                I made a comment about Trump doing bad shit. I didn’t mention ANYTHING about Israel. People on lemmy really like to just put words in others mouths and get all offended over it. It’s fucking annoying.

                But Israel has been on some straight up Nazi shit for a while now, because both Biden and Trump let Israel do whatever

                That’s what I am responding to.

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        Saying Iran isn’t building nukes is the most pushback Israel has gotten since Obama was in office

        What kind of pushback did they get from Obama?

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        This alternative is to believe the assessment that nuclear regulators made that they were stockpiling 60% enriched uranium and installing new centrifuges that could further enrich to weapons grade even faster. AFAIK there is no other plausible explanation for doing this, nuclear reactors only need 5% enrichment or so:

        https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/could-iran-have-been-close-to-making-a-nuclear-weapon-uranium-enrichment/

        https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/25/06/gov2025-24.pdf

        It’s also not a great look Iran immediately talks about testing a nuke a day after the attack. Despite that obviously being a lie, it at least makes it clear they don’t seem to be trying very hard to hide it.

        I’m sure Netanyahu has all kinds of nefarious reasons for doing this and with this timing, but this pretense at least seems pretty solid unlike Gaza and I’m sure there is genuine concern throughout their citizenry over how Iran would use them against them.

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          To be frank, if I was them, I would do everything to get a nuke before the crazies in Israel and the USA decide to wipe out Iran. So Iran trying to get it makes perfect sense.

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        So what? Just because she pushed back she’s now trustworthy? For fucks sake, screw your head on straight.

        Also why are you even intent on defending Iran, an openly genocidal far right government made up of religious extremists? There’s no good guys in this fight.

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          You don’t have to trust her.

          But if she says the sun will come up tomorrow, it doesn’t mean we need to plan to live the rest of our days in fucking darkness man…

          Like. You understand that right? Someone can be a habitual liar, but that doesn’t mean the opposite of everything they say is true.

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            I understand that, but it seems habitual liars are not lying only when it fits the narrative.

            There’s plenty of evidence that points to Iran building a nuke. They are not the good guys, so excuse me for being unconcerned about their literal dictatorship getting blown to hell.

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              They are not the good guys

              Please stop getting your politics from marvel movies

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              There’s plenty of evidence that points to Iran building a nuke.

              By all means share it with the class…

              Because Israel’s government isn’t. And neither is any other government.

              So I’m sure lots of people would absolutely love to see your proof

              Otherwise, it’s more likely Israel is lying because they’ve been saying Iran is a few years away from having nukes for literal decades. It means as much as Elmo saying Tesla will have auto omous driving in a few years

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                  Christ’s sake…

                  This is the fediverse, you can’t assume everyone sees the same comments when everyone’s on different instances. And that’s not even getting into how people block other accounts.

                  This is like pulling fucking teeth. So speaking of block lists…

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                    To be fair I didn’t know that. I thought within a given thread everyone could see everything.

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          Iran is authoritarian and brutal but this is the first I’m hearing of genocidal.

          Got any examples I can look up?

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      If Trump doesn’t believe her, then even from his demented perspective she shouldn’t have the job. So which is it Donald? Does she ah, merit her position of authority and influence, or does she not?