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SeahorseTreble@lemmy.world to Ask Lemmy@lemmy.world · 2 years ago

If one innocent person is tortured so that everyone else can live and the world doesn't end, is that simultaneously unfair but also morally preferable over complete destruction of everything?

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If one innocent person is tortured so that everyone else can live and the world doesn't end, is that simultaneously unfair but also morally preferable over complete destruction of everything?

SeahorseTreble@lemmy.world to Ask Lemmy@lemmy.world · 2 years ago
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ones_Who_Walk_Away_from_Omelas

    Basically the plot of this story. It poses the issue of how much we value society over the individual, and if that is good or not. Would you want to live in a world that depended on the the torture of a single person. You then could extrapolate that out to societies in the real world, US and chattel slavery. the west and the use of sweat shop labor for cheap products, the Emirates and their use of migrants as indentured servants. Even tipped wages for servers in the USA, the gig economy, and things like medical residencies could be considered a minor version of Omelas. As humans, we often tolerate the abuse or exploitation of others for our own benefit, or even just out of ignorance and inaction.

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      It is a quick read. One of a handful of stories that I have gone back to over the decades.

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      A great story that illustrates this question really well. It is by Ursula K. Le Guin, written in 1973, if anyone is wondering.

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        Ursula K. Le Guin

        So pissed that she is not much more famous. Earthsea is one of the great fantasy stories that people tend to forget.

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          It always strikes me how few female sci-fi and fantasy writers I’ve read. I’ve tried amending that mistake over the last couple of years but it’s not easy, especially when looking for books translated into more obscure languages.

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            Now that you say it - her sci-fi is also up there with the best. Did you find any other interesting female sci-fi authors?

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              Yes! Becky Chambers is a really interesting one. Her series Wayfarers is really different to most stuff I’ve read.

              I also read Octavia E. Butler’s Kindred, which was amazing. Wholeheartedly recommend it.

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                Thanks, will check them out!

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                  No problem, hope you enjoy!

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              Julian May has a great series in two parts, the Saga of Pliocene exiles and the Galactic Milieu trilogy. Amazing books, great story, very moving and thought provoking.

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                Sounds intriguing, will check it out - thanks.

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    • SeahorseTreble@lemmy.worldOP
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      Like what happens in the anthropocene to pretty much all animals except dogs & cats lol

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      Star Trek Strange New Worlds recently did an interpretation of this story

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      https://www.lightspeedmagazine.com/fiction/the-ones-who-stay-and-fight/

      Someone made a response story of sorts, figure I might as well share it here

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