Having gotten involved a bit over the last week, I think he’s generally a good guy. I disagree with his politics, but none of that has anything to do with software development. He writes good code, and when he’s not overwhelmed with nonsense, he’s quite helpful.
There’s another major dev, but I don’t know anything about him. I think they just want to build a cool tool that they can use to provide a safe space for discussion, and they want to make that available to others as well. That’s pretty cool, and that’s something I can support.
Ya, I don’t have any personal interactions with him and am withholding real judgement without. Even his politics, it’s hard for me to really condemn him when I don’t even know the lens he’s viewing things through. End of the day, I’m taking a best guess based on a few (3?) instances where he’s ever been recorded saying something that’s shit.
But also, even the worst tankie’s better than the best right winger, any day.
Eh, I consider myself to be the opposite of both politically, but I have no problem contributing to FOSS projects lead by either. But I agree in general, I’ve had better luck with socialists than fascists when it comes to FOSS.
Slightly contra- the other user that responded to you, I need to ask: You’ve spoken with rightwingers before, right? Most westerners have had the “privilege” at least a few times to allow such people to speak for themselves. Have you ever had an even slightly comparable interaction with a “tankie” where they also got to speak for themselves, rather than be told about what they believe third-hand?
I’m an ML too, they aren’t rare here, but extended dialogue between liberals and MLs is rare from what I’ve seen (though not totally unheard of). Usually the liberals are either very avoidant or combative (and sometimes the MLs get pretty combative too, tbf), which prevents there being any kind of understanding. between speakers.
Oh I am so sorry, I miss understood what you where saying, in that case 100% agree with you, liberals are both more likely to talk to a right winger and to hear them out.
No worries :) Yeah, I think the main thing is just that an open Marxist is really rare in western society outside of some academic spheres (which is, uh, not always a glowing recommendation, and there are many more anti-marxists there anyway) so we just don’t “really exist” in a neoliberal’s personal experience and therefore can be written off without consequence in their view.
Yes. I currently live in a very conservative area, and I grew up in a very liberal area. I’ve worked with and have been friends with people in both extremes, more or less. I’m in the US, so I’ve had debates about Trump and Sanders discussing how each is good, bad, too extreme, or not extreme enough. I’ve also talked with Xi Xinping and Pinochet apologists in person, and Stalin and Hitler apologists online (apparently those aren’t polite dinner conversation topics).
From my perspective, they’re largely the same net result, just from a different direction. Both want to force their ideology on me, and that’s not okay. I tend to get along with those who aren’t forceful, and I honestly don’t care too much about what their specific ideal is.
If you believe the ends justify the means, we’re going to have a hard time agreeing on anything. But I’m happy to discuss the merits of a certain end.
Having gotten involved a bit over the last week, I think he’s generally a good guy. I disagree with his politics, but none of that has anything to do with software development. He writes good code, and when he’s not overwhelmed with nonsense, he’s quite helpful.
There’s another major dev, but I don’t know anything about him. I think they just want to build a cool tool that they can use to provide a safe space for discussion, and they want to make that available to others as well. That’s pretty cool, and that’s something I can support.
Ya, I don’t have any personal interactions with him and am withholding real judgement without. Even his politics, it’s hard for me to really condemn him when I don’t even know the lens he’s viewing things through. End of the day, I’m taking a best guess based on a few (3?) instances where he’s ever been recorded saying something that’s shit.
But also, even the worst tankie’s better than the best right winger, any day.
Eh, I consider myself to be the opposite of both politically, but I have no problem contributing to FOSS projects lead by either. But I agree in general, I’ve had better luck with socialists than fascists when it comes to FOSS.
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Slightly contra- the other user that responded to you, I need to ask: You’ve spoken with rightwingers before, right? Most westerners have had the “privilege” at least a few times to allow such people to speak for themselves. Have you ever had an even slightly comparable interaction with a “tankie” where they also got to speak for themselves, rather than be told about what they believe third-hand?
I am a marxist Lenninist, and I can and do speak for myself.
I’m an ML too, they aren’t rare here, but extended dialogue between liberals and MLs is rare from what I’ve seen (though not totally unheard of). Usually the liberals are either very avoidant or combative (and sometimes the MLs get pretty combative too, tbf), which prevents there being any kind of understanding. between speakers.
Oh I am so sorry, I miss understood what you where saying, in that case 100% agree with you, liberals are both more likely to talk to a right winger and to hear them out.
No worries :) Yeah, I think the main thing is just that an open Marxist is really rare in western society outside of some academic spheres (which is, uh, not always a glowing recommendation, and there are many more anti-marxists there anyway) so we just don’t “really exist” in a neoliberal’s personal experience and therefore can be written off without consequence in their view.
Yes. I currently live in a very conservative area, and I grew up in a very liberal area. I’ve worked with and have been friends with people in both extremes, more or less. I’m in the US, so I’ve had debates about Trump and Sanders discussing how each is good, bad, too extreme, or not extreme enough. I’ve also talked with Xi Xinping and Pinochet apologists in person, and Stalin and Hitler apologists online (apparently those aren’t polite dinner conversation topics).
From my perspective, they’re largely the same net result, just from a different direction. Both want to force their ideology on me, and that’s not okay. I tend to get along with those who aren’t forceful, and I honestly don’t care too much about what their specific ideal is.
If you believe the ends justify the means, we’re going to have a hard time agreeing on anything. But I’m happy to discuss the merits of a certain end.