• merc
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    1 year ago

    You are hallucinating a utopia of censorship

    No, I’m suggesting a world where customers can choose. No blocking, blocking some offensive content, blocking different offensive content, the customer chooses the ISP that matches what they want.

    Other than using grandiose language, you can’t seem to come up with an actual argument why that’s a bad thing.

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      1 year ago

      That world is a fantasy. It’s not the one we live in, and it won’t happen.

      ISPs are the wrong level at which to expect that kind of control. See abundant prior explanations. Looking straight at an argument and going “nuh-uh” doesn’t mean there was no argument. Stop lying to me about my own comments.

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        1 year ago

        It’s not the one we live in

        Obviously not, which is why I described it as “in an ideal world”.

        It’s like you’re saying “supermarkets can’t carry umbrellas, those aren’t food products!” and supermarkets start carrying umbrellas, people are happy and you remain steadfast in your denial that that’s a possible thing that could be good.

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          1 year ago

          The internet carries everything, and you’re the one who’s mad about that. You want some of it to disappear from your experience - as dictated by the company whose entire job is connecting you to the whole-ass internet - and to reconcile the inherent contradiction, you invent an infinite variety of providers, available to everyone everywhere, implicitly with no material difference in cost or performance.

          The answer is no.

          That’s not how markets work.

          Any practical approximation is a nightmare of conflicting incentives that would immediately collapse. Again. Because similar rubber-room fake-internet companies used to exist, and have tried popping up again, and it’s not oligopoly that kills them. It’s the impossibility of pleasing all the people all the time.

          Just install Net Nanny and promote network neutrality. God damn.

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            1 year ago

            The internet carries everything

            And some people want their ISPs not to carry some things. For example, maybe they think their grocery stores shouldn’t carry hard-core pornography.

            Wouldn’t it be better if people who wanted no filters could choose that option, and people who didn’t could choose a filtered option?

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              1 year ago

              And some people want their ISPs not to carry some things.

              Those people are confused.

              Soup sandwich.

              • merc
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                1 year ago

                They’re not confused, they know what they want. You’re confused because you think there’s a problem if they get what they want.

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                  1 year ago

                  Lots of people want things that can’t work.

                  Soup. Sandwich.

                  • merc
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                    1 year ago

                    And this is something that can work, you just like sticking your fingers in your ears and going “la la la la” instead of admitting it.