I have been looking through a long thread on another instance where a few users have been trying to convince that instance to defederate from Exploding Heads - because they do not want to see the content posted on Exploding Heads.
I have thought long and hard about how to please these people. They do have the option to individually block Exploding Heads communities or users, but they either do not know how to or simply do not want to.
In the end I realized if I ban those specific users requesting defederation from Exploding Heads - they will not see any content from Exploding Heads and therefore will not be offended by it. (Truth be told I am not sure if some of these users have really visited our site or interacted with our users).
So today I have banned those users with the explanation that they have said they do not want to see Exploding Heads content. If any of those users wish to be unbanned in the future, all they have to do is say so and I will happily unban them.
These users are not being banned in order to censor them, but to help them achieve what they have been requesting - to not see Exploding Heads content.
I hope you all find this a fair and reasonable action - if not let me know.
Lol what?
That’s exactly what defederation does, it will prevent them from posting here and us from posting there.
No, I can still post on Beehaw, only people federated with sh.itjust.works can see my messages
If the only people who can see the messages are local users, than you’re not really posting on Beehaw, you’re posting on sh.itjust.works
It’s still replying to a discussion started on a beehaw community. All replies federated or not are “on your instance”, only users on instances federated with yours can see your messages.
If we defederate from EH they’ll still be able to post here and users from [insert instance federated with EH] would see their messages when looking at the post on our instance.
Not how it works.
Other instances get information about who posted/commented to your instance from your instance, and that tells them which instances to ask for the content of those posts/comments. If you’re defederated from an instance, they will not get any notice that there is content to fetch from that instance in the first place.
Technically, it might be possible to ask the defederated instance directly if it had any content to show, but as it stands the only instance that gets “asked” directly is the local instance.
As such, if you defederate from EH, the rest of the fediverse won’t see EH users posting shit to your instance. Only EH users will see EH posts/comments to your instance.
Yeah that’s what I’ve realised now by checking a post where I was discussing it with other users, turns out we were all from the same instance.
Sorry, but comments you make on defederated instances are only available to you and other instance users. No one from beehaw will be able to see them. You’d be posting on sh.it, not beehaw.
That’s exactly what I’m saying…
The goal is that sh.it don’t have to deal with EH users, EH users can still comment “here” if they feel like it, we just don’t see their post because we’re registered to an instance that’s defederated from theirs.
That’s not how it works. It’s only visible to you and you alone.
I just checked, it’s visible to everyone on your own instance
Really? My testing has shown otherwise, though that was on burggit, which is different. Do you have any links?
No, you can’t. You’re posting on sh.itjust.works’s copy of beehaw’s thread. Being defederated with them, not a single beehaw user will see your comment. Only users from your specific instance will.
Yes and that’s exactly the point of defederating from an instance? They can do whatever they please on their side, we don’t need to see it.
I want to see varied opinions. I do NOT want another filter bubble.
Then you’re free to join EH and enjoy the freedom to look at racist, homophobic and conspiracy content, it doesn’t mean that should be imposed on communities that value tolerance.
You are way too intolerant to be pushing “tolerance”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
Those who are tolerant can’t afford to tolerate intolerance because it leads to intolerance. Only those who argue in good faith and with rational arguments should be allowed to share their intolerant views because it means they’re open to actual discussion. This is not the case with the alt-right or tankies, therefore tolerating them leads to intolerance.
Who decides whether a particular user is arguing in good or bad faith, exactly? I’ve seen a few comments on “tolerant” communities get deleted that I personally thought were made in good faith but brought up inconvenient points for the majority opinion. Before you ask, there is exactly zero chance I will find them for a demo.
Have you gone onto the beehaw instance directly to see if your posts are there? From what i’m aware it’s possible to post in the snapshot of a defederated instance but it won’t actually reach that site.
The only threads that should be on your instance are the ones from prior to defederation
Thanks for the clarification!
I just checked and I can see posts on their technology community from 12h ago…
So I checked your instance, sh.itjust.works
All of the threads for [email protected] are 5-7 days old
There are comments, but those comments are from non-beehaw users (aka, users who aren’t defederated) posting to 7 day old threads
I think those people are equally confused as to how defederation works.
Though, I am confused as well as there’s a thread that says it was posted 19h ago that seems to have slipped in, but none of the other posts on their main site did. Which is odd.
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/294216
https://beehaw.org/post/630312?scrollToComments=true
Is it perhaps that it’s not both ways for users, and the user posted the thread to both sites, rather than a sync occurring?
That’s what I see sorted by new 🤷