Didn’t want to further derail the exploding heads vote thread, so:

What are the criteria that should be applied when determining whether to defederate from an instance? And should there be a specific process to be followed, and what level of communication if any with the instance admins?

For context it may be useful to look at the history of the Fediblock tag in Mastodon, to see what sorts of stuff folks are dealing with historically in terms of both obvious and unremarkable bad actors (e.g., spam) and conflict over acceptability of types of speech and moderation standards.

(Not saying that folks need to embrace similar standards or practices, but it’s useful to know what’s been going on all this time, especially for folks who are new to the fediverse.)

For example:

  • Presence of posts that violate this instance’s “no bigotry” rule (Does it matter how prolific this type of content is on the target instance?)
  • Instance rules that conflict with this instance’s rules directly - if this instance blocks hate speech and the other instance explicitly allows it, for example.
  • Admin non-response or unsatisfactory response to reported posts which violate community rules
    • Not sure if there’s a way in lemmy to track incoming/outgoing reports, but it would be useful for the community to have some idea here. NOT saying to expose the content of all reports, just an idea of volume.
  • High volume of bad faith reports from the target instance on users here (e.g., if someone talks about racism here and a hostile instance reports it for “white genocide” or some other bs). This may seem obscure, but it’s a real issue on Mastodon.
  • Edited to add: Hosting communities whose stated purpose is to share content bigoted content
  • Coordinating trolling, harassment, etc.

For reference, local rules:

Be respectful. Everyone should feel welcome here.

No bigotry - including racism, sexism, ableism, homophobia, transphobia, or xenophobia.

No Ads / Spamming.

No pornography.

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    1 year ago

    I apologize for basically duplicating this thread, I deleted my old post and I will just paste what I wrote bellow

    [Discussion] Defederation posts; creating some form of criteria / framework

    I feel like it is significantly more productive if we discussed and vote on a policy for what types of instances are reprehensible to the point that we need to seek defederation. We could still create a system where defederations should still pass a vote in the Agora, but I think having some type of framework / criteria in place would be useful.

    I don’t think federated instances have to follow our local rules entirely. I think they should follow the No bigotry rules, but if another instance has a sensible framework for self-promotion we should still federate with them even if we currently do not allow ads. Pornography is more complicated, I am assuming part of the ban is so TheDude doesn’t have to ensure there is no CSAM, if other instances have porn and use NSFW tags properly I am unsure if the CSAM implications still exist for federation.

    I think we definitely need to make some type of criteria for defederation but I also think it could be productive to still vote on defederation requests (excluding legal implications ofc)

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      1 year ago

      Agreed, I think there are definitely some local rules that instance uses to manage itself internally and some that are also standards that they expect other good neighbors to have as a basic floor on their moderation, and I also agree that the key one is no bigotry.