’34 officers died, including the commander of the Russian armed forces,’ Kyiv says.

The commander of the Russian Black Sea Fleet, Admiral Viktor Sokolov, died in Ukraine’s barrage on occupied Crimea last week, Kyiv said Monday.

“After the defeat of the headquarters of the Russian armed forces, 34 officers died, including the commander of the Russian armed forces. Another 105 occupiers were wounded. The headquarters building cannot be restored,” Ukraine’s special operations forces said Monday.

In an initial statement after the attack, the Russian defense ministry said it had shot down five incoming missiles and only one serviceman was killed, though the fleet’s headquarters were damaged.

But rumors about Sokolov’s death circulated online and Ukraine jumped Monday at the chance to confirm the speculation. POLITICO has not independently verified the claims.

The attack was the latest in Ukraine’s quest to liberate occupied Crimea, which Russian President Vladimir Putin seized in 2014. Two weeks ago, Ukraine wrecked a Russian submarine in the port of Sevastopol and also regained control of strategically important oil and gas drilling platforms located in the Black Sea.

  • FoxEnglish
    6•9 months ago

    I guess it’s sorta like the drawing of a train, full of passengers, driving towards a pit. You can change the track, but on the other one lies a man strapped down.

    Do you kill 1 person, to help save 10 others?

    It’s a barbaric thought experiment, sure. I’m a pacifist as well, but I can see how a murder would be for the greater good.

    • @[email protected]English
      -6•9 months ago

      the trajectory of time is much more complex than a train on rails. when it comes to killing people this oversimplification is not sound.

      often killing people emboldens more killing, not the opposite.

      • FoxEnglish
        1•9 months ago

        I think you need to look at the russian army as a unit in this, instead of the individuals like the general.

        The leaders, commanders, and soldiers would be the “guy strapped on rails” in my example.

        Again, I do not condone killing of anyone either. Could this be solved diplomatically it would obviously be best. But at the same time, history has shown what happens if we do not take a stance, and end the problem at the root. Last time it was just a crazy guy from the other side of the fence.

        Also;

        • Killing is bad
        • Some people still kill despite of this

        What would be your solution to stopping these people?

        Remember that we’re not just talking some schizophrenic with a kitchen knife, but rather a select few with the combined powers of peak human accomplishments.

        • @[email protected]English
          -1•9 months ago

          it’s not the idea that this person was killed, it’s the idea that it should be celebrated.

          The celebration of killing is savage.

          • FoxEnglish
            2•9 months ago

            I understand you. Also, I left you no downvotes in our entire discussion. Thanks for doing the same to me.

            People are very trigger-happy when it comes to comments on here. You basically lose the second you post something controversial.