A British citizen is among dozens of festival attendees who are missing, kidnapped or presumed dead

The Israeli rescue service Zaka says its paramedics removed more than 260 bodies from a music festival that came under attack by Hamas militants.

The total figure of bodies found is expected to be higher, as other paramedic teams were also working in the area and Zaka added that the bodies “haven’t all been collected yet”.

Early on Saturday morning, Hamas targeted Nova music festival, a techno rave in the desert near the border with Gaza.

Videos shared on social media and by Israeli news outlets showed dozens of festival-goers running through an open field as gunshots rang out. Many hid in nearby fruit orchards or were gunned down as they fled.

  • @[email protected]English
    -19•9 months ago

    It’s difficult to not conflate them with hammas when 80% supprts them and celebrated the attack

    • Solar BearEnglish
      4•9 months ago

      Honest question: What would you do if you were born there?

      • @GorilladrumsEnglish
        1•9 months ago

        Try to make peace with my neighbors and not commit terrorist attacks against innocent civilians?

        • Solar BearEnglish
          -2•9 months ago

          It’s pretty hard to make peace with people who are literally taking your homes. Perhaps if that wasn’t happening, it would become a lot easier to make peace.

          • @GorilladrumsEnglish
            1•9 months ago

            You can’t justify it. There’s no excuse for anybody to ever commit pure evil terrorist attacks that intentionally target civilians.

            • Solar BearEnglish
              1•9 months ago

              Understanding it isn’t justifying it. Understanding it is how you prevent it from happening again.

        • Solar BearEnglish
          4•9 months ago

          You expect me to believe you would simply leave behind the place you were born and all of your loved ones?

          • @[email protected]English
            -3•9 months ago

            Already did so actually and it wasn’t even comparable to the situation in gaza so yes , I would definitely leave … I don’t care if you don’t believe me.

            Edit: actually you can search my comments from before the recent attacks and find a few that support the fact i am an expatriate.

            • Solar BearEnglish
              2•9 months ago

              Fair enough. From what country are you a refugee, if you don’t mind me asking?

              • @[email protected]English
                -2•9 months ago

                I’ll get back to you once you dismiss the fantasy version of the discussion we are having and ask a question in line with what we have actually said

                edit: in case you are really confused, you said you didn’t believe I could leave , no one said i am a refugee…

        • @[email protected]English
          2•9 months ago

          My source is a comprehensive poll covering a bunch of different topics. Most centrally:

          If new parliamentary elections were held today with the participation of all political forces that participated in the 2006 elections, 64% say they would participate in them, and among these participants, Fateh receives 36%, Hamas’ Change and Reform 34%, all other lists combined 9%, and 21% say they have not yet decided whom they will vote for. Three months ago, vote for Hamas stood at 34% and Fatah at 33%. Vote for Hamas in the Gaza Strip stands today at 44% (compared to 44% three months ago) and for Fateh at 32% (compared to 28% three months ago). In the West Bank, vote for Hamas stands at 24% (compared to 25% three months ago) and Fatah at 40% (compared to 34% three months ago).

          A little over a quarter (27%) believe that Hamas is the most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people today while 24% believe that Fateh under the leadership of Abbas is more deserving; 44% believe both are unworthy of representation and leadership. Three months ago, 31% said Hamas is the most deserving, 21% said Fateh led by Abbas is the most deserving, and 43% said both are unworthy of representation and leadership.

          which isn’t even close to 80% no matter how you look at it.

          Your NBC News one says this:

          The group’s popularity grew after a two-week conflict with Israel in 2021, with roughly 75% of those polled viewing Hamas as safeguarding the Al-Aqsa Mosque and other Muslim holy sites in East Jerusalem.

          which is a very different thing than general approval…