Hi im new here, cause im trans, also a bit into leftism (I like the red vibe and hate capitalism) but not committed mostly because im new to politics in general. This is a burner because the whole subject seems very heated and I don’t want my main account banned.

so it was very surprising to me to see commies just… argue? Marxist Leninist, tankie, whatever, just seem to be like other commies, but ya’ll just hate them? I mean didn’t commies like the soviet union? I get China because of the weird capitalism its got, but I thought the soviets were like ya’lls trump card? I mean what else do ya’ll have? I mean I know it had baddies, but I thought ya’ll had like different views on it? I mean there was so much going on they at least have to had done something.

Like apparently the lemmy developers are ‘tankies’, but who cares? They built the thing, and it seems like they’ve just let us do whatever we want, nothing bad right?

It all just seems like different methods. being anarchist is fine (I don’t know what you do at all but it seems like you’re around at least), but being a ‘tankie’ makes you a fascist? Im just very very confused. Didn’t the USSR fight Nazis? I’m not giving them a kiss or anything but they killed quite a lot of Nazis, isn’t that at least kinda good?

I only recently found out that commies even had like different ideologies. I want to get into leftism, but it seems to be about the same as if I just stayed out of it, everyone is spending all the time fighting people, but I thought your whole thing was fight the man, not fight other commies?

And then I see leftists just lackluster in their critiques of America? I mean, anyone knows america hates commies, all of em, beat yall in '91 (honestly suprised yall still here). Now its ‘america is a flawed democracy’ and ‘bad nato but only when they do things’. I thought ya’ll at least had strong opinions? Why can’t you just hate america, thought that was yalls thing?

Its very silly to try to adopt revolutionary things and then like… limp dick it. Like, NATO is a capitalist alliance, shouldn’t commies hate that? Seems very straightforward. I mean I know Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is very bad, but does that mean defending a capitalist state? Yall spend a lot of time arguing for NATO against these tankies (while I don’t understand their position, it seems to at least be in that ‘fuck the US’ thing I thought yall did). Although I see the whole thing as too much for me to understand, some of yall do sort of agree with NATO bad too, but somehow its good for them to fight another capitalist? How’s that doing anything for ya?

Its all very confusing

I admit I care little for yalls squabbles, yall seem to care an awful lot about footnotes in history when the future looks like a big chance. Like I dont know what the hell happened in the Spain civil war, but how does that like change anything? Nobody sides yall commies seem to care about it period. Don’t yall hate capitalism, why then do yall spend half the time getting angry at other commies?

Its very silly in my view, and again very counterproductive

Its souring to get into communism and hear that apparently all the big dudes and big things in it are bags of shit, and I should read a bunch of small guys that only yall seem to know. Like Marx is BIG, but apparently he’s bad now? Like I know its older, but isn’t capitalism? Doesn’t seemed to have changed very much, but the products sure have, but the system is still big guy owns thing, exploits worker, hoards wealth, an that sorta thing. He’s like the floorboards, but now he isn’t? Did yall convene after the 90s and hit a reset on the whole thing? Starting from scratch?

I wanted to ask them their opinions, but they seem a little scary, so Ill talk to yall first. I just wants some clarifications about this issue.

  • @[email protected]
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    48 months ago

    There has been a lot of debate over the last ~200 years of history of socialism. Not everyone is in agreement on everything.

    • @[email protected]OP
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      -48 months ago

      I mean yeah but aren’t yall supposed to team up at least when the goin get rough? But yeahhhhh I get what you getting at. Im jus all kinda new to this whole show.

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        aren’t yall supposed to team up

        @CatradoraSomething I mean no one else does that, so I don’t see why you expect they would.

        Catholics and Protestants and Westboro Baptists and Eastern Orthodox and Mormons aren’t all teamed up together just because they’re all basically Christian. Neither are the Sunnis and Shiites just because they’re Muslim.

        Any country that has a system that allows more than 2 political parties has a whole spectrum of them, both in terms of the left to right axis and the authoritarian to libertarian axis.

        Nevermind, just saw this comment. Feel embarrassed I fell for this troll now.

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            8 months ago

            You were from the first sentence of your post.

            I’m trans. I like the red vibe.

            It’s your hexbear alt account?

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              -28 months ago

              and this is why i made an account. Ya’ll act like its some fuckin spy shit, this is a computer for christ’s sake. Learn to get over yourself. Ya’ll haven’t even actually told me what one is, all of you keep saying different things!

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                  -28 months ago

                  you only had a first sentence, thats what it was about?? Did you have a fuckin question mark where that period was?

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                    28 months ago

                    Bad trolling. Try to reply about something loosely related. Let’s try one more time:

                    I’m a trans communist and I know nothing about communism.

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          -38 months ago

          Neither are the Sunnis and Shiites just because they’re Muslim.

          I mean they all seem to team up when the yankees come knockin, and christians teamed up for the crusades I think. I mean Im not saying hold hands but fighting the big bad seems like the priority.

          But that makes sense

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        28 months ago

        You’re confused. Most people here are neither communists nor tankies. You’re asking the wrong people.

            • @[email protected]OP
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              -28 months ago

              I mean I thought I got a vibe, and Im figuring out this whole federation lemmy thing, so I may have gotten it wrong. I mean several nice folks who answered my questions are leftists. Like Democratic Socialists that one dude was.

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                28 months ago

                So 1 guy is a democrat means that 8 billion people are communists? You’re still young, please stop taking drugs now.

                • @[email protected]OP
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                  -28 months ago

                  I like how im a young one whenever yall just want me to be. I said I got a vibe, and I probably posted in the wrong place, is that a crime?

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                    18 months ago

                    You can still delete your whole post because it’s either a bad attempt at trolling, or a cringe fest that should have stopped a long time ago.