Hi im new here, cause im trans, also a bit into leftism (I like the red vibe and hate capitalism) but not committed mostly because im new to politics in general. This is a burner because the whole subject seems very heated and I don’t want my main account banned.

so it was very surprising to me to see commies just… argue? Marxist Leninist, tankie, whatever, just seem to be like other commies, but ya’ll just hate them? I mean didn’t commies like the soviet union? I get China because of the weird capitalism its got, but I thought the soviets were like ya’lls trump card? I mean what else do ya’ll have? I mean I know it had baddies, but I thought ya’ll had like different views on it? I mean there was so much going on they at least have to had done something.

Like apparently the lemmy developers are ‘tankies’, but who cares? They built the thing, and it seems like they’ve just let us do whatever we want, nothing bad right?

It all just seems like different methods. being anarchist is fine (I don’t know what you do at all but it seems like you’re around at least), but being a ‘tankie’ makes you a fascist? Im just very very confused. Didn’t the USSR fight Nazis? I’m not giving them a kiss or anything but they killed quite a lot of Nazis, isn’t that at least kinda good?

I only recently found out that commies even had like different ideologies. I want to get into leftism, but it seems to be about the same as if I just stayed out of it, everyone is spending all the time fighting people, but I thought your whole thing was fight the man, not fight other commies?

And then I see leftists just lackluster in their critiques of America? I mean, anyone knows america hates commies, all of em, beat yall in '91 (honestly suprised yall still here). Now its ‘america is a flawed democracy’ and ‘bad nato but only when they do things’. I thought ya’ll at least had strong opinions? Why can’t you just hate america, thought that was yalls thing?

Its very silly to try to adopt revolutionary things and then like… limp dick it. Like, NATO is a capitalist alliance, shouldn’t commies hate that? Seems very straightforward. I mean I know Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is very bad, but does that mean defending a capitalist state? Yall spend a lot of time arguing for NATO against these tankies (while I don’t understand their position, it seems to at least be in that ‘fuck the US’ thing I thought yall did). Although I see the whole thing as too much for me to understand, some of yall do sort of agree with NATO bad too, but somehow its good for them to fight another capitalist? How’s that doing anything for ya?

Its all very confusing

I admit I care little for yalls squabbles, yall seem to care an awful lot about footnotes in history when the future looks like a big chance. Like I dont know what the hell happened in the Spain civil war, but how does that like change anything? Nobody sides yall commies seem to care about it period. Don’t yall hate capitalism, why then do yall spend half the time getting angry at other commies?

Its very silly in my view, and again very counterproductive

Its souring to get into communism and hear that apparently all the big dudes and big things in it are bags of shit, and I should read a bunch of small guys that only yall seem to know. Like Marx is BIG, but apparently he’s bad now? Like I know its older, but isn’t capitalism? Doesn’t seemed to have changed very much, but the products sure have, but the system is still big guy owns thing, exploits worker, hoards wealth, an that sorta thing. He’s like the floorboards, but now he isn’t? Did yall convene after the 90s and hit a reset on the whole thing? Starting from scratch?

I wanted to ask them their opinions, but they seem a little scary, so Ill talk to yall first. I just wants some clarifications about this issue.

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    The problem with Tankies is their authoritarianism and their “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” mentality. I could never support a movement that supports horrid dictatorships of any kind. Even as a socialist, I’d always defend a capitalist democracy against a communist dictatorship. If NATO defends a small democratic country against an invasion from its large and powerful neighbor, I’m all for it, even if I’d rather have a European military alliance instead of NATO.

    It’s also absurd how they defend countries like China, which has perhaps one of the worst forms of capitalism, because they’re nominally communist.

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      Even as a socialist, I’d always defend a capitalist democracy against a communist dictatorship.

      Now im not one to nitpick, but I don’t think thats something a commie would do right? I mean capitalists winning is supposed to be worse right? Am I thinking of this correctly? I mean thats one of my questions, like yall hate bigwigs but bigwigs are good when they fight the evil commies? Not defending the USSR, but if it was anyone else that seems to be a bad thing happening.

      It’s also absurd how they defend countries like China, which has perhaps one of the worst forms of capitalism, because they’re nominally communist.

      okay now im nitpicking but didn’t you say youd defend a capitalist country against a communist one, but critique when someone else defended a capitalist one?

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        Now im not one to nitpick, but I don’t think thats something a commie would do right? I mean capitalists winning is supposed to be worse right? Am I thinking of this correctly? I mean thats one of my questions, like yall hate bigwigs but bigwigs are good when they fight the evil commies?

        I’m a Democratic Socialist and I hold the “Democratic” part higher than the “Socialist” bit. A Socialist economy is not worth it, if the price for it is oppression and genocide. Socialism must come from the will of the people, not conquest and murder.

        okay now im nitpicking but didn’t you say youd defend a capitalist country against a communist one, but critique when someone else defended a capitalist one?

        I’m saying it’s even worse when people calling themselves communist defend not only communist dictatorships, but also capitalist ones. It means they’re just in favor of dictatorships, period. Or they’re just incapable of any critical thinking and defend anything as soon as they see a hammer and sickle.

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          if the price for it is oppression and genocide

          but isn’t socialism its own democracy? Like unions are cool I like having more money. Would suck more to live in a democracy without food or a house than a dictatorship with food or a house, even if they are like concrete blocks and blocks of bread. I mean I don’t control jack anyway, nothing changes. I mean thats one way to look at it, but theres always more to the story i guess.

          isn’t that what capitalism is doing right now? I mean if im going to have capitalism hurt everyone a lot, but socialism hurt everyone a bit, isn’t that more okay?

          Ya got any books for this? or like a video or smth, I guess, to learn on my breaks.

          Yeah I guess so, but it all seems so strange. I mean its a fight for freedom from capitalism and everything for everyone, but it was all just bullshit the whole time? I just guess its depressing that the only thing we got is the same thing we’ve always had.

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        Hi pal, I’ve stumbled into this really cool trans girl here https://hexbear.net/u/Catradora_Stalinism

        She seems to be really into Stalinism. You have no relation to her in any way, do ya?

        Otherwise that would mean you were lying to all the people here about who you are and what your beliefs are

        Have a nice day!