Hi im new here, cause im trans, also a bit into leftism (I like the red vibe and hate capitalism) but not committed mostly because im new to politics in general. This is a burner because the whole subject seems very heated and I don’t want my main account banned.
so it was very surprising to me to see commies just… argue? Marxist Leninist, tankie, whatever, just seem to be like other commies, but ya’ll just hate them? I mean didn’t commies like the soviet union? I get China because of the weird capitalism its got, but I thought the soviets were like ya’lls trump card? I mean what else do ya’ll have? I mean I know it had baddies, but I thought ya’ll had like different views on it? I mean there was so much going on they at least have to had done something.
Like apparently the lemmy developers are ‘tankies’, but who cares? They built the thing, and it seems like they’ve just let us do whatever we want, nothing bad right?
It all just seems like different methods. being anarchist is fine (I don’t know what you do at all but it seems like you’re around at least), but being a ‘tankie’ makes you a fascist? Im just very very confused. Didn’t the USSR fight Nazis? I’m not giving them a kiss or anything but they killed quite a lot of Nazis, isn’t that at least kinda good?
I only recently found out that commies even had like different ideologies. I want to get into leftism, but it seems to be about the same as if I just stayed out of it, everyone is spending all the time fighting people, but I thought your whole thing was fight the man, not fight other commies?
And then I see leftists just lackluster in their critiques of America? I mean, anyone knows america hates commies, all of em, beat yall in '91 (honestly suprised yall still here). Now its ‘america is a flawed democracy’ and ‘bad nato but only when they do things’. I thought ya’ll at least had strong opinions? Why can’t you just hate america, thought that was yalls thing?
Its very silly to try to adopt revolutionary things and then like… limp dick it. Like, NATO is a capitalist alliance, shouldn’t commies hate that? Seems very straightforward. I mean I know Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is very bad, but does that mean defending a capitalist state? Yall spend a lot of time arguing for NATO against these tankies (while I don’t understand their position, it seems to at least be in that ‘fuck the US’ thing I thought yall did). Although I see the whole thing as too much for me to understand, some of yall do sort of agree with NATO bad too, but somehow its good for them to fight another capitalist? How’s that doing anything for ya?
Its all very confusing
I admit I care little for yalls squabbles, yall seem to care an awful lot about footnotes in history when the future looks like a big chance. Like I dont know what the hell happened in the Spain civil war, but how does that like change anything? Nobody sides yall commies seem to care about it period. Don’t yall hate capitalism, why then do yall spend half the time getting angry at other commies?
Its very silly in my view, and again very counterproductive
Its souring to get into communism and hear that apparently all the big dudes and big things in it are bags of shit, and I should read a bunch of small guys that only yall seem to know. Like Marx is BIG, but apparently he’s bad now? Like I know its older, but isn’t capitalism? Doesn’t seemed to have changed very much, but the products sure have, but the system is still big guy owns thing, exploits worker, hoards wealth, an that sorta thing. He’s like the floorboards, but now he isn’t? Did yall convene after the 90s and hit a reset on the whole thing? Starting from scratch?
I wanted to ask them their opinions, but they seem a little scary, so Ill talk to yall first. I just wants some clarifications about this issue.
So I have been reading around in the comments here and I get the distinct impression that you are trolling, or at least attempting to.
You display a weird mix of ignorance and laziness in not reading up on the basics, while you also often try to dumb down or nitpick an answer given to you.
That isn’t how this works, there are no simple answers. Often there are a dozen answers to the same question, depending on who you ask. As a starting point, you could read up (or listen to an audiobook or something) on Marx and his writings. Virtually all leftist movements and ideologies make reference to or are derived from his.
Yeah, you’re right. They’re trolling.
They’re more persistent than the usual low effort stuff, and they’re providing so much down vote bait.
I’m sure they’re having fun, but I wish people wouldn’t take these threads at face value like the discussion is real.
I guess its all trolling now, asking questions. Fuck these computers, everyone acts like its the cold war and the feds are everywhere.
didn’t change anything up, if you thought I was dumbing them down they must have been pretty dumb anyway.
No simple answers? I know, im just trying to ask why their answer is simple, but yours ain’t. Seems like yall think differently and picked your own sides. Although they seem to have picked a strange one Ill say that.
People are annoyed with you because you want everything a simple look at Wikipedia can teach you, spoon fed to you in the comments.
The whole original post is a collection of uninformed ramblings, and you expect people to engage with it. (You “kinda like the leftist vibe and hate capitalism”? Do you even know what those words actually mean?)
Improve the quality of your questions by acquiring the knowledge to even know what you are talking about on your own, then you will get quality replies.
Good lord yall apparently cant handle a question. Do you have any research besides using a wiki for children? Apparently who gives a shit about learning or anything, you can just spend a second looking at an article edited by plebs and thats good enough according to these chucklefucks.
The only uninformed rambling was the mess of comments I got. One recommended a childrens novel!
I like commie shit, I want to get rid of the rich bigwigs and start fixing this mess. Capitalism seems to just be trying to make money, and I hate greedy bastards. I understand that ‘vibe’ means ‘the mood’ and the like. Its not that hard to learn words.
It’s shit for sure. Communist dictatorships killed people like you everywhere they were. Don’t you have any respect for yourself?
Edit: you still think Animals’ Farm is for kids? You’re the ultimate idiot.