I didn’t vote for Trump in 2016. I didn’t vote.
In 2020 I voted for Trump because knew Biden would be bad. He has done better than I expected but the inflation is killing me and the focus on the wrong thing isn’t helping.
Early on I was a De Santis fan but my interest has waned as he has taken hard stances on things that need compromise.
Did you? It empowers the Federal government to take steps to control outbreaks of infectious disease, and to take other measures supportive of public health, and delegates these powers to the particular Federal agencies that have this responsibility including the Public Health Service.
Yes, that’s my point. That’s what successful interdiction of infectious disease looks like. Prevention is 9/10ths of a cure, remember?
When you worked as a medical officer in the Army were you required to have state involvement to treat a patient? No, right? Was your medical license issued by any US state? Not until you left the Army, right?
The Federal government has its own public health authority, and that authority had been successfully used by previous Presidents to prevent infectious pandemics. Trump failed to follow suit because he was a totally incompetent executive, which I’ve proved and you no longer even attempt to dispute.
It allows them to advise the states. That isn’t authority over a pandemic. That isn’t even close. If you worked in the field you’d know the states have the authority. The Feds can’t force action on states. That’s why Trump never did.
Yes my medical license was issued by a state. All medical personal in the army have to have a state license. It just doesn’t have to be from the state they are in. The federal government doesn’t issue medical licenses.
Mers died out in its own. The flu expanded and died out natural. It’s what they do.
I was going to deploy for the Mers vaccine and then it was all cancelled because it went away.
I think you are trying to give the federal government authority they don’t have. They just don’t.
Now maybe we will agree on this. I think the federal government should have the authority to set a standard. 50 states and x number of territories doing their own thing is stupid when people can easily cross the border. Back in the day I lived less than from a mile from another state. If I walked a block I was in another state. Hypothetically they could have the exact opposite rules. That’s stupid.
I’m all for state rights but once it’s on a pandemic level. The Feds should have authority.
Maybe you know this but the government can force to vaccinate but that’s a slippery slope. During the revolution they use the army to force quarantine. I don’t know it being done since and while I don’t like the idea of it, I do think in a serious pandemic it should be considered. COVID to me wasn’t the test case for it.
You’re either not willing or not able to read the law. Here’s a little primer to assist your comprehension:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7152008/
The Federal government issues medical licenses to doctors in the District of Columbia because the District of Columbia is under Federal jurisdiction.
MERS died out because of rapid, responsive public health action. It wasn’t “on its own”; public health successfully prevented a MERS pandemic.
They just do, though.
Yes, it wasn’t any sort of “test case” except a test for the competence of Donald Trump to respond to a public health crisis, and the result of that test was millions of Americans dead and the loss of the most jobs since the Great Depression. He failed, due to his incompetence. Now you’re arguing an unrelated point about what the appropriate scope of Federal power is, but that’s an unrelated topic; Trump already had these powers, he just was incompetent as using them, as he’s always been incompetent at using power. That’s why he loses so often.
I am familiar with the law. Nothing in the law gives the Feds to force measures on the states. That’s why Biden tried to use osha laws. Maybe we are talking past each other. Do you think the cdc has authority to force masks on the population of a state?
It’s under its own jurisdiction. It’s not a state. I’ve never seen a federal medical license and my girlfriend handled medical licenses for a state. She said she’s never seen a federal medical license. They’re all state issued. That’s how we met is she processed my medical license when I switched states. Though we didn’t date to many years later.
He did not. Biden publicly acknowledged he didn’t have those rights either. An expert In the field would know only the states have those rights.
426 is about ports of entry.
https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/aboutlawsregulationsquarantineisolation.html
measures to prevent the entry and spread of communicable diseases from foreign countries into the United States and between states
States have police power functions to protect the health, safety, and welfare of persons within their borders. To control the spread of disease within their borders, states have laws to enforce the use of isolation and quarantine.
States have the power within their borders. It’s exactly why Biden didn’t do anything. It’s why he tried to use osha instead which was an obvious no no.
You’d never even heard of it before I cited it.
“You wouldn’t know her, though; she goes to a different high school. Uh, in Canada.”
What “rights”? I’m talking about the rights used under the Obama administration to address the challenge of three different incipient pandemics. Trump didn’t lose those rights in the interim; he had them and just didn’t competently use them.
I didn’t reference 426.
COVID-19 didn’t originate within the borders of any US state. It originated in Wuhan, China, and was allowed to spread into the United States by Trump’s incompetence at using powers you now admit he had.
But Biden did do things. Did monkeypox become a national pandemic? Did pediatric RSV?
No, right? “New pandemic just dropped” is kind of a social media joke, but the thing is, they keep not being pandemics. You think Trump just got unlucky with COVID-19, but it wasn’t particularly infectious - R0 of around 1.5, barely replacement level, whereas the R0 of SARS-1 was double that. Trump was just particularly incompetent and fumbled the prevention of an entirely preventable pandemic. He failed a test that Biden’s already passed, twice over, in his current administration and passed three times in Obama’s. Trump is just an incompetent loser; he always has been.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/11/11/joe-biden-national-face-mask-mandate-covid/6233249002/
That doesn’t seem to be a reply to anything I’ve said.
It once again repeating states have the authority which you claim they don’t. It’s the exact claim you’ve been arguing that the president can force mask mandates on everyone and even Biden says that’s not true. It’s the authority of the states.
I’ve never made such a claim. I’ve claimed that Trump’s response to COVID-19 was typical of his manifest incompetence in most aspects of his presidency, a claim you’ve not been able to refute.
I’ve not argued any such claim at all.
https://www.thelancet.com/pdfs/journals/laninf/PIIS1473-3099(20)30484-9.pdf
No Covid had a 2.5 sars 2.4
Wuhan-1 had R0 of around 1.5; certainly no more than 2. Later variants had a higher base replication rate but those variants only came about because of the uncontrolled spread of Wuhan-1.
The largest issue with Covid was most people didn’t show symptoms. It also had a long incubation time. Before we even knew it was here, it was already here.
I’ll pretend you are an expert for a minute. Since Covid was showing up in Sewage in spain months before we had the outbreak, I do have to ponder how this all really broke down.
We didn’t “know it was here” because Trump prevented all surveillance activity. Remember it spread in China for three months before the first US cases. We had plenty of time; Trump was just too incompetent. The first community transmission in the US was actually identified almost immediately after it happened.
Wuhan-1’s presymptomatic infectious period is less than four days, actually less than lots of other illnesses.
It didn’t “show up in sewage in Spain” before the Wuhan outbreak. Sewershed analysis in Spain didn’t start until years later, so that claim isn’t possible to make.
I’m telling you - the incompetence of the US public health response, due to Trump’s mismanagement of Federal public health.