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Every police chase is a danger to innocent people’s lives. Some chases are necessary, but a broken taillight is not worth that risk.

  • @xor
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    6 months ago

    it’s really not worth it… they have the license plate and can just go to their house later…
    the driver is still a piece of shit for also endangering people’s lives (and the three year old)

        • deweydecibel
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          96 months ago

          I’d like to make a cliche joke here, about how 3 year olds are more like little goblins than people or something like that, but I’m not a parent.

          But I have seen a three year old straight-up knock a lamp off a table for no apparent reason, not once but twice.

          • @[email protected]
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            36 months ago

            Apparent reasons:

            Kid wants attention but isn’t getting it; Kid is trying to get the adults’ moods to match their own; Kid is experimenting with physics, weight and gravity; Kid mispprehended what would happen if the lamp fell.

    • @[email protected]
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      -56 months ago

      So when someone is evasive to police we should just go to their house later? It’s called probable cause and you don’t know if the people in the car are dangerous. I’m not a great supporter of the police but the hot takes in this thread are disappointingly dumb.

      • @xor
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        56 months ago

        yawn

          • @xor
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            25 months ago

            go have your rage war elsewhere

            • @[email protected]
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              -25 months ago

              Haha, I’m not raging but nice projection, everyone in this thread is raging because they can’t see reason over their self-righteous anger.

        • @[email protected]
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          -35 months ago

          So if you were pulling someone over for a valid reason and they fled, you would just be like oh well I guess they got away? interesting mental gymnastics going on here, why do people let their blind hatred of a group subvert common sense?

          • @[email protected]
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            15 months ago

            “common sense”?

            you do know that what you suggested ironically is literally what happens in sane countries, right?

            you try to ignore the police because of a broken tail light? they’ll just summon you to court, they have your plates. and you’ll be fined for fleeing the police and probably lose your driver’s license, at least temporarily and if it’s a temporary revocation you’ll definitely be required to attend further driver’s training at your own expense before you’re allowed to drive again.

            you’re not home or pretend not to be? they’ll track you down and either deliver the summons directly or just arrest you.

            that’s normal. that’s the normal thing to happen.

            you know what’s not normal? Killing people because they don’t want to talk to you!

    • @[email protected]
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      6 months ago

      I take serious issue with delivering tickets at home later. The fact that it’s your car is circumstantial. No way to prove you were driving.

      You most likely know who was driving your car, and if it wasn’t you, you could identify who it was, but frankly, I don’t like it… Not for a traffic ticket where you’re presumed guilty and have to prove you don’t owe the state the fine… I don’t think it’s a great idea sending cops to a registered owners house in that context… Not with the current standards police are demonstrating.

      Edit- don’t chase either… Minor speeding, taillight, ranva stop sign… Let it go ffs

      • @[email protected]
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        366 months ago

        In my country the rules are simple. It’s your car, so you’re responsible.

        The owner should’ve fixed the broken taillight, not the current driver.

        • @[email protected]
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          36 months ago

          What country? Do you have annual inspections? That’s easily the right answer to a busted taillight question :)

          • @[email protected]
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            In the UK, you would receive a letter with the details of the infraction. You can nominate someone else who was driving at the time but it defaults to the car’s registered owner.

            And we have annual inspections (the MOT) or your insurance is invalid. You have to be taxed and insured or your car gets impounded.

            Does the US not have annual inspections?

            Quick edit: This is for things like speeding and other offences caught on camera. I doubt this would apply to a broken light as in the OP.

            • @azertyfun
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              116 months ago

              Same in Belgium and I assume most civilized countries. Either your car is stolen or it is not. If it is, you legally have to disclose that. If it is not, then “maybe I wasn’t the one driving but I’m not going to tell you ;) ;) ;)” is a bullshit excuse, and everyone knows it. You know it, the person you replied to knows it, the judge knows it.

              I think there’s a whole-ass essay to be written on the Americans’ relationship to law that leads them to using the stupidest legal arguments like some kind of arcane ward… and actually succeeding.

              Hot take: we make fun of sovereign citizens but “speed cameras are unenforceable if you don’t have a 4K picture of me at the wheel of what is unambiguously my car” is basically the same thought process.

            • @[email protected]
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              36 months ago

              In the US inspections are controlled by each state. Some have yearly, some have basically none, and everything in between like only during change of ownership.

      • zeluko
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        186 months ago

        Its the owners car. Either they say who was responsible for that ticket or the owner is getting fined themselves.
        And to be fair, these tickets are delivered by post. Only if you then didnt pay or show up to a hearing will you get into more serious trouble.
        Assuming the courts work (much better than police either way), you get a fair process there. (of course, circumstances can be fabricated, but thats then up to the court, not much you can do really apart from forcing them to have video evidence in such easy things)

      • @[email protected]
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        86 months ago

        So… Don’t chase them. And don’t serve them a ticket at home.

        What’s your solution?

        • GladiusB
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          -26 months ago

          I think his solution is to chase. Which is what they did and the results hurt people. My best guess is the rewards are better than the risks. I dunno. I’m just guessing

        • @[email protected]
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          -66 months ago

          Let it go…

          What’s the premise of the ticket?

          The premise is that a broken tail light doesn’t indicate a turn or a stop to other drivers, who should be paying attention anyway… It’s safety, public safety…

          So to mitigate the risk of a collision because one of your three brake lights isn’t working, we gotta chase someone? Or in the case of going to their home, we’re gonna pay two cops an hours wage, reduce their ability to do anything else for anyone, and basically convict someone without any process whatsoever (unless they spend the time to contest it, and likely fail anyway just because cop says they did it) on circumstantial evidence?

          Apply that to speeding… Apply it to rolling a stop sign… Apply it to 90%+ of the shit that gets ticketed…

          The benefit to society for most traffic tickets is negligible at best. Let it go…

          • @[email protected]
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            96 months ago

            The benefit to society for most traffic tickets is negligible at best. Let it go…

            This is an extremely naive view. While the cops enforcing the law are almost always corrupt and do it in a corrupt way

            The “benefit is negligible” is a mistake. The fact is driving around without brake lights IS a problem, driving without a seatbelt IS a problem, speeding IS a problem. That is why these laws came about in the first place. The facts and statistics are very clear about the increased accidents.

            • @[email protected]
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              16 months ago

              You appear to be assuming that I’m suggesting citations be done away with entirely…

              I’m suggesting that a citation doesn’t warrant a pursuit.

              I’ll go a little further and say that a “no pursuit” policy isn’t appropriate either (and that sounds contradictory I’m sure, but if you publish it as a policy it becomes an incentive, not good), but a pursuit over a citation is negating, in a huge manner, the safety those citations provide…

              Someone fleeing the police is a ridiculously more dangerous condition than an occasional citation getting skipped… how many people flee? 1%? I doubt it’s even that… The statistical deterrence isn’t affected by that, and arguably, the citation won’t have a statistical impact on that fringe group anyway. The reduction in accidents happens in the 99% that pull over and simply pay the fines.

            • Doug HollandOP
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              06 months ago

              The facts and statistics would be, I’d guess, exponentially more clear about the increased accidents from police chases.

      • @xor
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        36 months ago

        with the current standards police are demonstrating, im not okay with them doing anything…
        i meant more, “in a perfect world” kinda sense…
        with parking tickets they can’t prov who drove either, so really the car gets the ticket…
        the owner has to pay it to keep registration, though…