What do you call someone ‘brave’ enough to die for treasonous slaver scum, but not brave enough to die against treasonous slaver scum?
Slaver scum.
Tens of thousands of men from the South volunteered to help their actual country’s army. Many more resisted in other ways, took up arms as partisans, or simply left traitor-controlled areas. I have no more sympathy for conscripts of the CSA than I do for conscripts of Nazi Germany. Were they inherently terrible people? No, probably not. But they made a choice that was, ultimately, cowardly and evil, and they deserve no asspats on that account.
Is it really better to abandon your responsibilities and your family just so some self-righteous pissant won’t piss on your grave in 150 years?
No, you do it just so that you aren’t actively killing and dying for the sake of maintaining your fellow human fucking beings in a state of abject bondage, being tortured, raped, and killed at the whims of rich men.
If you watch that video, you can hear from someone who fought in the 26th Virginia Cavalry. Towards the end of the video, he celebrates the end of slavery, and blames the politicians for bringing them into the war. Many of the folks buried in these cemeteries were uneducated, rural children who only knew they were “defending their homeland from invasion”.
Would you include literal child soldiers who had no idea slavery was a cause of the war in that “slaver scum” category?
Literal children? No, because children are generally accepted to have reduced independent moral agency for a variety of reasons.
Many of the folks buried in these cemeteries were uneducated, rural children who only knew they were “defending their homeland from invasion”.
My guy, that Lost Causer myth hasn’t been accepted in historical academia since the 70s. There was broad understanding and acceptance on the Confederate side, amongst the rank and file, that the war was being fought for slavery and white supremacy. You wanna roll out John Smith from Nowhere, Atlanta, and say he’s a very special boy who didn’t understand what was going on? Sure, whatever makes you feel better. I’m sure there were a couple of innocents in the Wehrmacht and the SS as well who were simply too dumb to understand what was constantly and loudly repeated by both sides of the conflict. But unless you want me to single out his grave to be spared, I don’t really know what relevance your saintedly ignorant theoretical individual has to the discussion.
Exactly. One in every six Wehrmacht troops fighting on D-Day was a non-German, many of which were prisoners who’d been forced to fight for the Nazis. You might actually be pissing on the grave of a Korean POW who’d been shipped to the German frontlines by their Japanese captors.
“In one more memorable encounter, members of the American 101st Airborne stumbled upon a group of surrendering Asiatic troops in German uniforms. Despite repeated attempts, Allied interrogators were unable to communicate with their curious Wehrmacht prisoners. Only later was it discovered that the soldiers originally hailed from Korea and had absolutely no interest in fighting for the Third Reich. How they ended up in German uniform is one of the Second World War’s most outlandish sagas.”
That’s an hilariously bad take. Condeferates are not particularly known to be gravepissers. You don’t even make sense.
What you probably meant is that this is not very civil. Which is fair, to be honest. And people may or may not care. On my end, I don’t particularly care for the bourgeois appeal to civil conduct at all times. I know which side it favors 🤷♂️
Yeah, fuck 'em.
What do you call someone ‘brave’ enough to die for treasonous slaver scum, but not brave enough to die against treasonous slaver scum?
Slaver scum.
Tens of thousands of men from the South volunteered to help their actual country’s army. Many more resisted in other ways, took up arms as partisans, or simply left traitor-controlled areas. I have no more sympathy for conscripts of the CSA than I do for conscripts of Nazi Germany. Were they inherently terrible people? No, probably not. But they made a choice that was, ultimately, cowardly and evil, and they deserve no asspats on that account.
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No, you do it just so that you aren’t actively killing and dying for the sake of maintaining your fellow human fucking beings in a state of abject bondage, being tortured, raped, and killed at the whims of rich men.
Not getting piss on your grave is just a bonus.
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How is what you’re doing any different? Don’t hide behind that tired insult.
Would you include literal child soldiers who had no idea slavery was a cause of the war in that “slaver scum” category?
https://youtu.be/IBMcYCb9NDA
If you watch that video, you can hear from someone who fought in the 26th Virginia Cavalry. Towards the end of the video, he celebrates the end of slavery, and blames the politicians for bringing them into the war. Many of the folks buried in these cemeteries were uneducated, rural children who only knew they were “defending their homeland from invasion”.
Do we really need to piss on their graves?
Literal children? No, because children are generally accepted to have reduced independent moral agency for a variety of reasons.
My guy, that Lost Causer myth hasn’t been accepted in historical academia since the 70s. There was broad understanding and acceptance on the Confederate side, amongst the rank and file, that the war was being fought for slavery and white supremacy. You wanna roll out John Smith from Nowhere, Atlanta, and say he’s a very special boy who didn’t understand what was going on? Sure, whatever makes you feel better. I’m sure there were a couple of innocents in the Wehrmacht and the SS as well who were simply too dumb to understand what was constantly and loudly repeated by both sides of the conflict. But unless you want me to single out his grave to be spared, I don’t really know what relevance your saintedly ignorant theoretical individual has to the discussion.
Only on Lemmy could “pissing on the graves of child soldiers isn’t cool” be a controversial take.
“Don’t piss on Wehrmacht graves! You might hit someone who was innocent!”
Exactly. One in every six Wehrmacht troops fighting on D-Day was a non-German, many of which were prisoners who’d been forced to fight for the Nazis. You might actually be pissing on the grave of a Korean POW who’d been shipped to the German frontlines by their Japanese captors.
Source: https://militaryhistorynow.com/2014/06/02/germanys-foreign-volunteers-helped-man-the-atlantic-wall/
“In one more memorable encounter, members of the American 101st Airborne stumbled upon a group of surrendering Asiatic troops in German uniforms. Despite repeated attempts, Allied interrogators were unable to communicate with their curious Wehrmacht prisoners. Only later was it discovered that the soldiers originally hailed from Korea and had absolutely no interest in fighting for the Third Reich. How they ended up in German uniform is one of the Second World War’s most outlandish sagas.”
Hey, we found a Good Person! Virtuously expressing themselves by pissing!
Here I thought I was just a memer, humorously expressing myself by mocking shithead Confederates.
You got everything right except the “humourously” part.
I don’t know, I forcefully blew air out of my nose. That’s a pretty high bar of humor met for me.
Probably in the same way the confederates blew air out their nose when they ganged up on the people they considered worthy of grave-pissing.
Shitty behavior all around. You sound like a confederate to me.
Looks like we’ve found the enlightened centrist!
Nope. I’m all for killing confederates. But pissing on graves just makes you look like a shitty idiot.
Smooth brain take of 2024 lmfao.
Brainless bot-level non-response from 2023.
You sure are.
Their ratio on here is pretty good though.
Probably because they aren’t a traitor.
Pissing on graves sounds like confederate behavior to me. Enjoy your ratios and your piss and shit, which is how you apparently express yourself.
That’s an hilariously bad take. Condeferates are not particularly known to be gravepissers. You don’t even make sense.
What you probably meant is that this is not very civil. Which is fair, to be honest. And people may or may not care. On my end, I don’t particularly care for the bourgeois appeal to civil conduct at all times. I know which side it favors 🤷♂️