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Alabama suffocated a man to death in a gas chamber tonight after starving him so he wouldn’t choke on his own vomit as they did it. And this was deemed perfectly legal by multiple courts in the vaunted American legal system.
That’s what happens when you value institutions over people.
Link for more info: https://www.reuters.com/legal/alabama-prepares-carry-out-first-execution-by-nitrogen-asphyxiation-2024-01-25/
Chances are, an innocent person has been killed because of the death penalty. That alone has me against it entirely.
Many innocent people.
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How many innocent people are you ok with murdering before it’s no longer worth it?
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I am ok with every guilty killer not being executed if it means saving a single innocent person. Note that I did not say that I am ok with them being released.
I ask again, how many innocent people are you ok with murdering before it’s no longer worth it?
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Given that we live in real life, and nothing is perfect, you would rather see some innocent people be executed. The only other alternative is being against the death penalty. If you’re for the death penalty, then you’re for some innocent people being executed.
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Life in prison is justice. Our system is what got Sedley Alley killed by the state. If it’s the best we’ve got, then we need to find a better one.
Ok, but whats the number of innocent lives you’rewilling to end? Or maybe percentage? Where do you draw the line?
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Some people are found not guilty when they really are, and some people are found guilty when they’re really not. This is not a good enough metric by which to judge whether we should end a person’s life.
What if the jury is wrong every time? Or half the time? Where do you draw the line?
Do they just let them go free if they don’t execute them?
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Apt username.
“It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer” - William Blackstone.
Buddy are you so deprived of empathy that you have no problem with sending innocent people to their deaths? Are you okay with cops playing judge, jury, and executioner? Lot of innocent people die from cops deciding that its okay if that guy is dead.
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Literally avoided my questions. Why are you okay sending someone who is innocent to death?
Death cult.
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Hey buddy. Lets roll it back. I’ll fully agree that this person is an asshole. Okay? No one is disputing this.
However the point I really want to get to is when someone pointed out that many times innocent people are given the death sentence for crimes they didnt commit. Your response was and i fucking quote you “That’s a chance we are just going to have to take.” That means you thibk it is okay to kill innocent people just because some other people did horrid shit.
So again, why the fuck are you actually okay with killing innocent people? That is what i want to know. You keep dodging around it. Answer the question “Why do you think it is okay for the state to have the power to kill people who have commited no crimes?”
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“Committed no crimes” is an objective statement about reality. The state has killed people who committed no crimes, and the state had a right to execute all of them. Both of those statements are true, so their combined form, “the state has a right to execute people who have committed no crimes,” is also true. Personally, I would prefer if we made that statement not true anymore.
what if it happens to you or your family? then is it still worth it?
I don’t see any “have to” in here at all. To me, that just looks like a desire to have the state murder people. That’s not justice.
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Who’s moving goalposts now? A decision being “justified” doesn’t mean it’s “a chance we have to take.”
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That’s fucking rich. Your entire point is that killing guilty people is somehow justice. How is that not based in emotion?
Here’s a coherent argument that isn’t based in emotion: the death penalty does not improve society in any way when applied to a guilty person, and when it does lead to the death of an innocent person, it both reduces the likelihood of the real perpetrator ever seeing justice, and prevents the innocent party from ever being released.
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We don’t have to, though. We can just put them in prison.
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How is that a morally coherent stance? You’re basically condoning state-sanctioned murder.
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