Greg Abbott is taking a stand to protect his state’s right to let children die in the Rio Grande, and four justices of the Supreme Court are encouraging him to do so.
Abbott’s neo-secessionist bluster, cheered on by GOP governors and Republicans in Washington, including House Speaker Mike Johnson, has set up a confrontation with the federal government over immigration policy. “We encourage all willing States to deploy their guards to Texas to prevent the entry of Illegals, and to remove them back across the Border,” Donald Trump wrote on Thursday.
Maybe I’m reading about this too much, but I’m in Texas and really starting to worry about how this all ends & what the next step is. I don’t want to overreact, but with Abbott basically telling the feds to fuck off and Trump encouraging other states to send their National Guard…you know how crazy that fanbase is, we saw it on 1/6.
I know Eisenhower nationalized the Guard when Arkansas tried to pull this shit with desegregation, and yeah Biden has some harder choices because it’s an election year.
I guess I just don’t know where this goes and I hate it. I fucking hate that this is where we’re at.
I don’t think Biden will do anything really. He is already making concessions by trying to push an extremely bad immigration bill in congress. His strategy for dealing with this stuff seems to be to make concessions, sending cases to the courts, and just wait for Texas and Republicans to move their attention to something else.
I think Biden should activate the national guard and force them to stop their shenanigans, but I don’t think he will.
The Dems are playing the political game like they’re in the 1990s, and the Reps are playing the game like they’re in 1930s Germany.
Nothing is going to happen. Congress will pass a shitty immigration bill. Abbott will claim a victory for Texas and the whole thing will blow over.
The interesting thing is that Trump is trying to prevent congress from acting because he wants to campaign on the immigration issue. If Biden is able to get something through it will look like a victory.
Something will happen, and that’s the point of Biden’s remarks on Friday: If they pass the bill, they give him a victory on immigration he can campaign on. If they bend to the cheeto, he has an answer for the rest of the campaign every time they bring up immigration: You all voted against empowering me to close the border. Because the bill is already all over the news, Johnson’s House doesn’t have the option to do nothing. [And frankly I don’t think it matters that much what Abbott does right this second.]
I half expect to see a repeat of what Biden did at last year’s State of the Union re Social Security and Medicare, boxing the GOP in on an issue that’s extremely important to them by making them choose between supporting him or taking an unpopular position that abandons their core constituents. If they don’t pass this bill, the DNC should be shouting from the rooftops that the Republicans want Russian hegemony in Eastern Europe and open borders in Texas. If they pass it, then it’s the biggest border security bill in a decade.
Biden is getting well up in years (and he’s not alone in that), and he’s no LBJ, but he’s still a very capable politician. He’s certainly got other campaign problems (ahem, the Israel albatross around his neck), but for the last few days, Joe Biden has basically done everything right on immigration.
You know what Texas already has? At least three Active Duty military bases. If every Guard wants to come driving down to say hi, you know what they need? Fuel.
And you can’t find JP8 at Buc-ee’s, so good luck using Cavaso’s fuel point while on your way to flip off the feds.
Yes, the states can do what they want with their Guards but this isn’t something to worry about unless you’re worried about the waste of life and tax payers money.
Can’t Biden nationalize the Texas National Guard like Eisenhower did with Arkansas, as described here?
I suppose that coming to a head is what I’m worried about - Biden will issue the EO but the Texas National Guard will refuse to acknowledge it. And now there are convoys and shit joining them, so it will just be a standoff that goes on forever (not unlike the Bundy ranch saga) and potentially lead to a serious crisis within the military and the refusal to follow the ruling that SCOTUS handed down.
Secession will literally never happen. If they did, they’d be throwing 38 red electoral votes in the garbage and the Dems would win every national election for the next 3 decades easy, probably more.
IF they did (not even a big if, seriously, like i said above it will never happen). No need to fight a war over it, no need to even fire a shot. Let them take everything they want in the state. Cut off all trade, blockade their international shipping, seize all assets outside Texas of all businesses based there, then watch as they have to now come to terms with the fact that their only viable land based trading partner is the same country they have been trying to stop immigration from for over half a century.
Maybe I’m reading about this too much, but I’m in Texas and really starting to worry about how this all ends & what the next step is. I don’t want to overreact, but with Abbott basically telling the feds to fuck off and Trump encouraging other states to send their National Guard…you know how crazy that fanbase is, we saw it on 1/6.
I know Eisenhower nationalized the Guard when Arkansas tried to pull this shit with desegregation, and yeah Biden has some harder choices because it’s an election year.
I guess I just don’t know where this goes and I hate it. I fucking hate that this is where we’re at.
My tin foil hat theory is this is all a conspiracy to create another pain in the ass situation for Biden to have to deal with on an election year .
No need for the tinfoil, that’s literally what this is.
I don’t think Biden will do anything really. He is already making concessions by trying to push an extremely bad immigration bill in congress. His strategy for dealing with this stuff seems to be to make concessions, sending cases to the courts, and just wait for Texas and Republicans to move their attention to something else.
I think Biden should activate the national guard and force them to stop their shenanigans, but I don’t think he will.
The Dems are playing the political game like they’re in the 1990s, and the Reps are playing the game like they’re in 1930s Germany.
He should absolutely do nothing. Texas is stabbing itself in the ideological dick here. It would be a shame to interrupt that process.
Even SCOTUS is like “yo man that shit looks painful you should stop stabbing yourself in the dick.”
Nothing is going to happen. Congress will pass a shitty immigration bill. Abbott will claim a victory for Texas and the whole thing will blow over.
The interesting thing is that Trump is trying to prevent congress from acting because he wants to campaign on the immigration issue. If Biden is able to get something through it will look like a victory.
Something will happen, and that’s the point of Biden’s remarks on Friday: If they pass the bill, they give him a victory on immigration he can campaign on. If they bend to the cheeto, he has an answer for the rest of the campaign every time they bring up immigration: You all voted against empowering me to close the border. Because the bill is already all over the news, Johnson’s House doesn’t have the option to do nothing. [And frankly I don’t think it matters that much what Abbott does right this second.]
I half expect to see a repeat of what Biden did at last year’s State of the Union re Social Security and Medicare, boxing the GOP in on an issue that’s extremely important to them by making them choose between supporting him or taking an unpopular position that abandons their core constituents. If they don’t pass this bill, the DNC should be shouting from the rooftops that the Republicans want Russian hegemony in Eastern Europe and open borders in Texas. If they pass it, then it’s the biggest border security bill in a decade.
Biden is getting well up in years (and he’s not alone in that), and he’s no LBJ, but he’s still a very capable politician. He’s certainly got other campaign problems (ahem, the Israel albatross around his neck), but for the last few days, Joe Biden has basically done everything right on immigration.
You know what Texas already has? At least three Active Duty military bases. If every Guard wants to come driving down to say hi, you know what they need? Fuel.
And you can’t find JP8 at Buc-ee’s, so good luck using Cavaso’s fuel point while on your way to flip off the feds.
Yes, the states can do what they want with their Guards but this isn’t something to worry about unless you’re worried about the waste of life and tax payers money.
Can’t Biden nationalize the Texas National Guard like Eisenhower did with Arkansas, as described here?
I suppose that coming to a head is what I’m worried about - Biden will issue the EO but the Texas National Guard will refuse to acknowledge it. And now there are convoys and shit joining them, so it will just be a standoff that goes on forever (not unlike the Bundy ranch saga) and potentially lead to a serious crisis within the military and the refusal to follow the ruling that SCOTUS handed down.
Secession will literally never happen. If they did, they’d be throwing 38 red electoral votes in the garbage and the Dems would win every national election for the next 3 decades easy, probably more.
IF they did (not even a big if, seriously, like i said above it will never happen). No need to fight a war over it, no need to even fire a shot. Let them take everything they want in the state. Cut off all trade, blockade their international shipping, seize all assets outside Texas of all businesses based there, then watch as they have to now come to terms with the fact that their only viable land based trading partner is the same country they have been trying to stop immigration from for over half a century.
Idk I’m eager to watch a bunch of riled up Gravy Seals with $5000 AR-15 kits fly to Texas thinking they can take on the feds
I’d be happy to see it just to get them out of all the other states.
The moment someone makes a single move towards secession, it goes right up to the SCOTUS and is shut down. This is a no-go.
Aren’t we literally talking about the GOP ignoring Supreme Court rulings?
I’m not sure what that gets them except a stronger response when push comes to shove.