It happens by progressively showing strength of the party platform that a continued shift away from conservative bs is electable. The last few years has been powerful in continuing that trend after Biden was elected. Overturning women’s rights has blown up in republicans faces. Their hyped red wave a couple years ago turned out to be bs. A large number, not enough, but still a large number of gerrymandered maps have been overturned in courts after years of lawsuits, with additional ones still actively being fought in courts around the US. There are real progressive democrats dedicating their lives to fighting this stuff. If the trend continues to show that progressives will start taking control of the elections and safeguard democracy the progressive shift will show that a platform foundation exists for representatives to support those platforms. Without it they are stuck relying on independent voters filling the gaps and trying to bridge the gap between liberal and conservative enough that they secure as many independents as possible and come out ahead. Their isn’t enough strict support on the Democratic side to get elected as an ideal candidate and it’s not going to get there in a single cycle but we are four years into wins year over year and my personal opinion is if Biden wins handily and the house and senate make major strides this year it will not only enable more effective changes in policy, even though I feel Biden has far exceeded expectations, it will largely be due to disadvantage and youth voters and start to show that portion of the population as a more reliable vote to run a platform on which could be the beginning of a radical shift in how this country is run, in a good way. The liberal voter base needs a reliable foundation in order to support policies that folks like to bitch about otherwise your going to get politicians that have to try catering to the independent voter base and republicans as the only ones holding office.
At the point that the demand doesn’t elect the greater evil?
Go ahead and don’t vote, boy that will sure show the establishement… Nothing. Or vote against your interests to teach them a lesson! Oh wait, that’s like punching yourself in the face.
When will that be? At what point will it not be Democrat vs Republican if people keep voting for Democrats or Republicans? Genuinely would like to hear your solution.
The actions to take on election day and the solutions long term solutions are unrelated. I agree that the choices are usually shitty, but if you pick option 3 all you do is fuck yourself or the rest of us and make yourself look obnoxiously stupid.
Run for office to make it incrementally better. That’s what I’m doing.
I don’t care who you vote for, bucko. I’m extending you the courtesy of explaining that when you go party 3 with no chance in hell of winning, anyone who understands how FPTP voting works thinks you’re remedial. It’s not some great virtuous act of protest of the system; you could just stay home and smell your own virtue farts instead of wasting the gas *shrug*
I mean ok fair enough. We can both vote for the least worst and hope for better
True, but at which point do we stop meekly agreeing to support the lesser evil and start demanding to have options that aren’t evil?
It happens by progressively showing strength of the party platform that a continued shift away from conservative bs is electable. The last few years has been powerful in continuing that trend after Biden was elected. Overturning women’s rights has blown up in republicans faces. Their hyped red wave a couple years ago turned out to be bs. A large number, not enough, but still a large number of gerrymandered maps have been overturned in courts after years of lawsuits, with additional ones still actively being fought in courts around the US. There are real progressive democrats dedicating their lives to fighting this stuff. If the trend continues to show that progressives will start taking control of the elections and safeguard democracy the progressive shift will show that a platform foundation exists for representatives to support those platforms. Without it they are stuck relying on independent voters filling the gaps and trying to bridge the gap between liberal and conservative enough that they secure as many independents as possible and come out ahead. Their isn’t enough strict support on the Democratic side to get elected as an ideal candidate and it’s not going to get there in a single cycle but we are four years into wins year over year and my personal opinion is if Biden wins handily and the house and senate make major strides this year it will not only enable more effective changes in policy, even though I feel Biden has far exceeded expectations, it will largely be due to disadvantage and youth voters and start to show that portion of the population as a more reliable vote to run a platform on which could be the beginning of a radical shift in how this country is run, in a good way. The liberal voter base needs a reliable foundation in order to support policies that folks like to bitch about otherwise your going to get politicians that have to try catering to the independent voter base and republicans as the only ones holding office.
At the point that the demand doesn’t elect the greater evil?
Go ahead and don’t vote, boy that will sure show the establishement… Nothing. Or vote against your interests to teach them a lesson! Oh wait, that’s like punching yourself in the face.
When will that be? At what point will it not be Democrat vs Republican if people keep voting for Democrats or Republicans? Genuinely would like to hear your solution.
The actions to take on election day and the solutions long term solutions are unrelated. I agree that the choices are usually shitty, but if you pick option 3 all you do is fuck yourself or the rest of us and make yourself look obnoxiously stupid.
Run for office to make it incrementally better. That’s what I’m doing.
Calling people who don’t vote for your candidate obnoxiously stupid is not a great argument for getting them to vote for your candidate, just FYI.
I don’t care who you vote for, bucko. I’m extending you the courtesy of explaining that when you go party 3 with no chance in hell of winning, anyone who understands how FPTP voting works thinks you’re remedial. It’s not some great virtuous act of protest of the system; you could just stay home and smell your own virtue farts instead of wasting the gas *shrug*
You should use this strategy when you run for office, bucko. It’s working great and isn’t condescending at all.