No, the purpose of society is to supercede the laws of the jungle. If we cannot adhere to civility our chances of self-erradication significantly increase each year. Ask Yemen how their right to self-defence has served them this past decade. The same can now be said for Palestine, and if Republicans get what they want, Ukraine, too.
War was given mantle as a horseman of the apocolypse with good reason. It won’t be the plagues, famines, and multitudes of death that wipe us out. The last two men on Earth will die in a fist fight between each other.
Ask Yemen how their right to self-defence has served them this past decade. The same can now be said for Palestine, and if Republicans get what they want, Ukraine, too.
Admittedly I’m not familiar with Yemen’s situation, but the suggestion that Palestinians would be doing better if they rejected violent resistance is frankly ridiculous.
Israelis would also have to reject violence. Its not that this is obtainable today, but this is the mindset we should be implanting in new generations of people. War should be taboo.
I mean sure but then you’re not saying much. “Both sides should settle things peacefully” I mean yes we’d all love that to happen but it’s not possible today and the side being oppressed giving up on violence never goes well unless they have some non-violent way of gaining leverage.
There is an also, because they must, too, reject violence. The Israelis could have taken to the streets enraged as their leader failed to act on the information given to him about the Oct 7 attack. He chose violence instead, and those people, forgetting their previous emotions of hatred toward their leader, sided with their government. They chose violence. Do you see how individuals and their consent creates a vicious cycle?
Hamas is made up of Palestinians. It may seem strange, but those who were forced to live in what was bragged as an “open air prison” also resorted to violence on Oct 7.
The purpose of my words is not who is at fault. I am saying that for humanity to have peace they have to choose it every time. If people ever want to be free of war, warfare must become taboo. That won’t happen, and the warmonger at the head of Israel will probably get most of what he wants. But that is what it will take if anyone ever truly wants world peace. The People must refuse to fight.
This is a hard line to tow, this is not a conflict with a ‘good guy’.
The Hamas charter that they were founded on is publicly accessible, anyone can read it. It directly calls for Jihad as the only answer, and directly say that negotiation is not an option. There is also a line referencing that judgement will not come until the Jews are killed. Israel is doing bad things but don’t let that lead you to the conclusion that Hamas is okay. It’s really rough.
This is a hard line to tow, this is not a conflict with a ‘good guy’.
None of the single violent resistances against apartheid and oppression ever had a “good guy”.
If you believe all those people that were willing to risk their lives to stand up against oppression in the past were super nice and educated about the whole situation you’re in for a big treat.
The IRA and the ANC are not the nice guys you think they were which only targeted military and politicians. And don’t google what the Haitians did during their rebellion against slavery.
Hamas is very much on the lower end of civilian casualty rates for a resistance group.
It’s hard line to tow, but if you are going to say they’re open to peace, you got to stick to it.
If you believe all those people that were willing to risk their lives to stand up against oppression in the past were super nice and educated about the whole situation you’re in for a big treat.
The IRA and the ANC are not the nice guys you think they were which only targeted military and politicians. And don’t google what the Haitians did during their rebellion against slavery.
No one is interested in bringing any of this into the conversation.
Hamas is very much on the lower end of civilian casualty rates for a resistance group.
This is where I have a problem, you’re framing ‘lower end of civilian casualty’ as a good statistic to look at and a sign that one side is somehow ‘noble’. People are trying really hard to frame it as a battle of good vs evil, where in reality it’s just a battle of evil vs evil, but one side is dramatically less effective and has less resources. The wikipedia article on suicide bombings Hamas has claimed credit for isn’t small and that’s just covering one type of terrorism.
It’s horrible for the Palestinian civilians, but Hamas has built their entire government on the idea of perpetual war and specifically not negotiating a solution. I hope I’m wrong, but I personally don’t see a peaceful solution here where both sides are still around.
It’s hard line to tow, but if you are going to say they’re open to peace, you got to stick to it
What does this even mean? They have been open to peace and tried to negotiate peacefully far before October 7.
Israel keeps breaking all its deals which leaves violent resistance as the only option they have left for peace.
You’ve watched a few too many Disney movies where "the good guy “keep getting punched in the face and never hit anyone that oppose them because 'they’re above that and that would make them just as evil as the other guy!”.
This is where I have a problem, you’re framing ‘lower end of civilian casualty’ as a good statistic to look at and a sign that one side is somehow ‘noble’.
Yes intentionally avoiding killing many civilians and especially children is objectively better than indiscriminately massacring every single child you can find like israel does and like many other resistance groups have done in the past.
A reminder that in total EIGHT children under 10 died on october 7. israel kills more than that every single day.
People are so far brainwashed that if they hear “khamas evil evil evil” enough times they magically believe that they are actually worse than israel which is literally trying to wipe out every single Palestinian from the face of the earth and are dreaming of having the 2/3 civilian casualty rate Hamas has
Hamas’s government is built upon israel never accepting any peaceful deal or keeping their promises, something which israel has proven many times over the past 75 years.
You’d be out there saying that the Jews should have just negotiated with Adolf Hitler instead of fighting back as if that’s even an option.
I mean, people have a right to defend themselves. I would just say all coercive violence is wrong, no matter what form it takes.
No, the purpose of society is to supercede the laws of the jungle. If we cannot adhere to civility our chances of self-erradication significantly increase each year. Ask Yemen how their right to self-defence has served them this past decade. The same can now be said for Palestine, and if Republicans get what they want, Ukraine, too.
War was given mantle as a horseman of the apocolypse with good reason. It won’t be the plagues, famines, and multitudes of death that wipe us out. The last two men on Earth will die in a fist fight between each other.
Admittedly I’m not familiar with Yemen’s situation, but the suggestion that Palestinians would be doing better if they rejected violent resistance is frankly ridiculous.
Israelis would also have to reject violence. Its not that this is obtainable today, but this is the mindset we should be implanting in new generations of people. War should be taboo.
I mean sure but then you’re not saying much. “Both sides should settle things peacefully” I mean yes we’d all love that to happen but it’s not possible today and the side being oppressed giving up on violence never goes well unless they have some non-violent way of gaining leverage.
Israelis are the only violent side refusing any semblance of peace. The West Bank is irrefutable evidence of this.
There is no “also”.
There is an also, because they must, too, reject violence. The Israelis could have taken to the streets enraged as their leader failed to act on the information given to him about the Oct 7 attack. He chose violence instead, and those people, forgetting their previous emotions of hatred toward their leader, sided with their government. They chose violence. Do you see how individuals and their consent creates a vicious cycle?
Only israel must reject violence as the other side has always been open to peace.
Palestinians would not resort to violence if there was any other option.
Hamas is made up of Palestinians. It may seem strange, but those who were forced to live in what was bragged as an “open air prison” also resorted to violence on Oct 7.
The purpose of my words is not who is at fault. I am saying that for humanity to have peace they have to choose it every time. If people ever want to be free of war, warfare must become taboo. That won’t happen, and the warmonger at the head of Israel will probably get most of what he wants. But that is what it will take if anyone ever truly wants world peace. The People must refuse to fight.
This is some “the bullied kid fights back so both are at fault” level shit. Victim blaming level maximum.
Palestinians in the West Bank don’t fight back and they still get genocided by israel.
I will repeat; only one side is at fault and it is israel.
This is a hard line to tow, this is not a conflict with a ‘good guy’.
The Hamas charter that they were founded on is publicly accessible, anyone can read it. It directly calls for Jihad as the only answer, and directly say that negotiation is not an option. There is also a line referencing that judgement will not come until the Jews are killed. Israel is doing bad things but don’t let that lead you to the conclusion that Hamas is okay. It’s really rough.
None of the single violent resistances against apartheid and oppression ever had a “good guy”.
If you believe all those people that were willing to risk their lives to stand up against oppression in the past were super nice and educated about the whole situation you’re in for a big treat.
The IRA and the ANC are not the nice guys you think they were which only targeted military and politicians. And don’t google what the Haitians did during their rebellion against slavery.
Hamas is very much on the lower end of civilian casualty rates for a resistance group.
It’s hard line to tow, but if you are going to say they’re open to peace, you got to stick to it.
No one is interested in bringing any of this into the conversation.
This is where I have a problem, you’re framing ‘lower end of civilian casualty’ as a good statistic to look at and a sign that one side is somehow ‘noble’. People are trying really hard to frame it as a battle of good vs evil, where in reality it’s just a battle of evil vs evil, but one side is dramatically less effective and has less resources. The wikipedia article on suicide bombings Hamas has claimed credit for isn’t small and that’s just covering one type of terrorism.
It’s horrible for the Palestinian civilians, but Hamas has built their entire government on the idea of perpetual war and specifically not negotiating a solution. I hope I’m wrong, but I personally don’t see a peaceful solution here where both sides are still around.
What does this even mean? They have been open to peace and tried to negotiate peacefully far before October 7.
Israel keeps breaking all its deals which leaves violent resistance as the only option they have left for peace.
You’ve watched a few too many Disney movies where "the good guy “keep getting punched in the face and never hit anyone that oppose them because 'they’re above that and that would make them just as evil as the other guy!”.
Yes intentionally avoiding killing many civilians and especially children is objectively better than indiscriminately massacring every single child you can find like israel does and like many other resistance groups have done in the past.
A reminder that in total EIGHT children under 10 died on october 7. israel kills more than that every single day.
People are so far brainwashed that if they hear “khamas evil evil evil” enough times they magically believe that they are actually worse than israel which is literally trying to wipe out every single Palestinian from the face of the earth and are dreaming of having the 2/3 civilian casualty rate Hamas has
Hamas’s government is built upon israel never accepting any peaceful deal or keeping their promises, something which israel has proven many times over the past 75 years.
You’d be out there saying that the Jews should have just negotiated with Adolf Hitler instead of fighting back as if that’s even an option.