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    And to be fair, the US isn’t a “democracy”. It’s a constitutional republic with democratically elected representatives. Semantics, I know, but accuracy counts.

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      Nobody means “universal direct democracy” when they say “democracy”. Not the ancient Athenians, not the Swiss, nobody.

      This is a very disingenuous talking point.

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        It’s not a talking point. Seems quite a few Americans don’t know what our actual form of government is called. Accuracy counts.

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          Words mean what the people using them agree that they mean.

          You are holding a minority position here. It would seem you do not know what your form of government is called.

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            Minority view or not, it’s correct. Just because it’s a majority doesn’t make it correct.

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              Well, you are correct by a minority. But incorrect by the majority.

              Its called perspective and language. Study papers need to define the word sometimes from the ground up so the paper becomes understandable.

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                Guess it depends on what the definition of “is” is. Hate it all you want, I’m right.

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                  I guess your ego to be right is more worth than valuable conversations where people actually understand each other by being on similar wavelengths.

                  Congratulation. You are right. But I dont know where.

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                    democracy /dĭ-mŏk′rə-sē/ noun

                    Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives. 
                    

                    A political or social unit that has such a government.

                    The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.

                    Majority rule.

                    The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.

                    Government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is retained and directly exercised by the people.

                    Government by popular representation; a form of government in which the supreme power is retained by the people

                    Collectively, the people, regarded as the source of government.

                    The principles and policy of the Democratic party, so called.

                    republic /rĭ-pŭb′lĭk/ noun

                    A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.
                    

                    A nation that has such a political order.

                    A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.

                    A specific republican government of a nation. “the Fourth Republic of France.”

                    An autonomous or partially autonomous political and territorial unit belonging to a sovereign federation. (Read:federation of states)

                    A group of people working as equals in the same sphere or field. “the republic of letters.”

                    I’m right, right here.

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        Democracy, by definition, is 50% +1 vote, otherwise known as “mob rule”. That would be an even shittier system to live under.

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            I just want to point out that the majority of people are manipulated by massive corporations on a daily basis. They just use it for immediate profit by getting them to buy things. They could easily start manipulating people for political gain, of which they’ve tried in the past with varying degrees of success.
            This is expressly what a constitutional federal republic (a specific type of democracy) is meant to prevent.

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            The fact that you called me a fascist proves you don’t know what the word means

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              You mean this?

              I know exactly what fascism is. Being anti-democracy does not in itself make you a fascist, but it’s a very strong sign that you are. Either way you’re an asshole and I don’t particularly care what flavor of asshole you are.

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                And you’re a fuckwit! Name calling is fun!

                Never thought being pro-freedom meant fascist to intellectuals such as yourself. A system that could swing from election to election based on one vote seems pretty fucking horrible tbh, especially in the US with our deep partisan divdes. Imagine the sheer horror the libs would go through whe the country went 50.0000000001 to 49.9999999999 conservative and abortion became illegal for 4 years! Bet you’d hate democracy then!

                For the record, I’m solidly pro choice, pro 2A, athiest and couldn’t care less who you want to spend your naked time with. Find another lazy insult, fascist already wore itself out, and it doesn’t describe the people you think it does - bet you agree with keeping Trump off the ballot. “Democratic”, indeed.

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                    At work, about 1,100 miles away. But I was there in spirit, so come get me!!!

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          lol no it doesn’t

          Voting like that is certainly democratic but that’s not the definition of democracy dumb dumb

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            democracy noun de·​moc·​ra·​cy di-ˈmä-krə-sē plural democracies 1 a : government by the people especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections 2 : a political unit that has a democratic government 3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S. from emancipation Republicanism to New Deal Democracy— C. M. Roberts 4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority 5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges

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                If you’re incapable of clicking a link, we can go to the host stand and get you a placemat and some crayons. The US is not a democracy, by definition, regardless of what your kindergarten teacher is telling you.

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                  lol what the fuck are you talking about homie. you delirious or just retarded?

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                    You’re acting like a child, so I’ll speak to you like you are one. You’re too lazy, dumb or all the above to click a link that explains in detail how the US isn’t a democracy, it’s a republic. How the fuck this thread devolved into that I can’t even remember.

                    And I believe the phrase is “mentally challenged”. Don’t get canceled “my G”.

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              republic noun re·​pub·​lic ri-ˈpə-blik Synonyms of republic 1 a(1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government b(1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (such as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit the French Fourth Republic

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      Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.