I wonder if this could be co-opted by other messaging, like could you start a podcast and end up with a fanatically devoted fanbase of pastry chefs? Or what about carpenters? With the right wardrobe, set design and rhetoric, could you build a fantical base of young men devoted to the concept that building a house is the ultimate expression of manliness?
I know a guy who started going down the rabbit hole following the crazy MMA nuts like Tate and Rogan and his excuse was " they advocate for working on yourself and training" my question was aren’t there a million wholesome dudes with MMA/workout channels teaching the same life lessons? The answer is yes. Of course. He was able to find like 10 by the end of that work day. The issue is exactly what you say, these dudes,
With the right wardrobe, set design and rhetoric
just have to focus on marketing their bullshit because the groundwork has already been laid by other chauvinists, misogynists and chicken-hawks before them, they just have to fit it in and repeat.
It’s possible but I think part of the problem is that these men are targeting personal and cultural insecurities about manhood. As we move away from glorifying masculinity’s violent side these men sell the idea that that’s a problem. And beyond that they sell the idea that you can embody it. It’s why they can show up in varieties like pick up artists but never as like loving and involved dads no matter how much they lament the lack of prioritizing of fathers.
Nobody is criticizing men for woodworking or cooking pastries.
That said I do think that more could probably be done by men to appeal to young men and encourage such pursuits in a healthy and constructive way. I know a friend of mine growing up really appreciated Nick Offerman’s brand of masculinity.
Nobody is criticizing men for woodworking or cooking pastries.
I don’t think that’s necessarily the problem, young men aren’t sliding to the right because they’re being told “boys don’t bake.” The problem as I see it is, in general terms, there is no path to success for many young men, and they know it. Of the two major political voices you hear today, one of them says “You have no right to complain, you’re a man. You’ve got it made, you outright own society such that every single bad detail about society is personally your fault, and I will never stop hating you for it.” The other voice says “Hey, remember when you WOULD HAVE had a path to success?”
I wonder if this could be co-opted by other messaging, like could you start a podcast and end up with a fanatically devoted fanbase of pastry chefs? Or what about carpenters? With the right wardrobe, set design and rhetoric, could you build a fantical base of young men devoted to the concept that building a house is the ultimate expression of manliness?
I know a guy who started going down the rabbit hole following the crazy MMA nuts like Tate and Rogan and his excuse was " they advocate for working on yourself and training" my question was aren’t there a million wholesome dudes with MMA/workout channels teaching the same life lessons? The answer is yes. Of course. He was able to find like 10 by the end of that work day. The issue is exactly what you say, these dudes,
just have to focus on marketing their bullshit because the groundwork has already been laid by other chauvinists, misogynists and chicken-hawks before them, they just have to fit it in and repeat.
The whole thing is fucked.
It’s possible but I think part of the problem is that these men are targeting personal and cultural insecurities about manhood. As we move away from glorifying masculinity’s violent side these men sell the idea that that’s a problem. And beyond that they sell the idea that you can embody it. It’s why they can show up in varieties like pick up artists but never as like loving and involved dads no matter how much they lament the lack of prioritizing of fathers.
Nobody is criticizing men for woodworking or cooking pastries.
That said I do think that more could probably be done by men to appeal to young men and encourage such pursuits in a healthy and constructive way. I know a friend of mine growing up really appreciated Nick Offerman’s brand of masculinity.
I don’t think that’s necessarily the problem, young men aren’t sliding to the right because they’re being told “boys don’t bake.” The problem as I see it is, in general terms, there is no path to success for many young men, and they know it. Of the two major political voices you hear today, one of them says “You have no right to complain, you’re a man. You’ve got it made, you outright own society such that every single bad detail about society is personally your fault, and I will never stop hating you for it.” The other voice says “Hey, remember when you WOULD HAVE had a path to success?”