Let’s see if I can keep this relatively short:

I’m a woodworker, I do my design work in FreeCAD and then I print out my drawings on paper to carry out to the shop with me. It would be nicer if I had a shop-proof device to run FreeCAD in the shop with me because over the past year I found myself saying the following things in the shop a lot:

  • “Wait, let’s go in and look at the 3D model.”
  • “Ah dang I forgot to note this particular dimension on the drawing, let me go fix that.”
  • “I’ll measure this part up then go in and do some drawing.”

So what does “shop proof” mean exactly?

  1. Wood shop be dusty. Last year I hauled 250 gallons of sawdust to the dump. To me this means that a physical keyboard needs to be able to function if it’s been packed with dust and/or needs to be vacuum cleaner proof. I also think cooling fans are probably a bad idea; a passively cooled device is probably preferable.

  2. Not many outlets in the shop, so it needs a good battery life. I actually don’t need a tremendous amount of performance, I’ve used a Raspberry Pi 3 for the kind of CAD work I do.

  3. FreeCAD does not ship an APK so Android is no bueno, it’s gotta be GNU/Linux.

  4. It needs decent usable Wi-Fi because I envision using Syncthing to keep my woodworking projects folder synced between my desktop and this device. It doesn’t necessarily need to get signal out in the shop (my phone barely does; I lose signal if I stand behind the drill press) but it does have to connect to my Wi-Fi when I carry it into the house.

I think this means I’m looking for an ARM tablet that can competently run Linux. Is there such a thing?

ADDENDUM:

Thanks to everyone who commented, I think I do have a plan of action: I’m gonna buy a used Lenovo!

To answer the question I posed, no it doesn’t seem that a Linux ARM tablet is really a thing yet. Commercial offerings that run Android or Windows on ARM are often so locked down that switching OS isn’t a thing, the few attempts at a purpose built ARM tablet for Linux like the PineTab just are not ready for prime time.

In the x86 world, it basically came down to 10 year old Toughbook tablets or 4 year old low-end 2-in-1s, and I think the latter won out just because of mileage and condition. A lot of the toughbooks out there will have 10 year old batteries in them, and they’ve been treated like a Toughbook for some or all of that time. The few Lenovo’s I’ve looked at are barely used, probably because of how Windows “runs” on them.

I’ll eventually check back in with progress on this front. Would it be better to add to this thread or create another?

  • Captain AggravatedOPEnglish
    2•4 months ago

    (i.e. don’t fire up them GPU cores…) Yeah I plan to have the thing sitting in the shop with a 3D CAD program on with screen dimming/suspend set to “never.” I’m looking at the $200 price range, which is somewhere around “pretty good Android tablet” to “Used Toughbook.”

    If I go the used Wintel route, I’d probably go with a Toughbook if I can find a fairly compact one. A lot of the ones on eBay in my price range are of approximate vintage to my existing laptop, but dustproof. But, “no charger included.” “Tablet only.” “No charger or battery.” etc.

    Honestly I think the PineTab 2 or similar products would do…if their business model included “ever finish a product and bring a retail version to market.” A lot of the word on the street is “It’s pretty okay especially for the price, but the Wi-Fi will never work because for some reason we’re using chips that just don’t and won’t have Linux drivers.”

    • @[email protected]English
      1•4 months ago

      Yeah I plan to have the thing sitting in the shop with a 3D CAD program on with screen dimming/suspend set to “never.”

      BTW, FreeCAD is a zero (or near enough to it, see my other comment) workload for your GPU. It does not use GPU acceleration at all internally. You said you were using FreeCAD in your original post.

      I’m reasonably certain most/all of the consumer Android tablets will not be able to handle your kind of workload. Certainly not any of the very few Linuxable ones. (Credit to @jesta there for posting a few that I was not aware of). Battery life is going to be your issue, there. You’re looking at a 3-5 hour screen on time from one of those at best. And none of those are ruggedized. I think you’ve painted yourself into a corner by making your base requirements impossible for your budget. I’m not saying that to argue; I’m just saying how it is.

      • Captain AggravatedOPEnglish
        1•4 months ago

        …Huh.

        You wanna hear something wild? For years, the only reason I ever booted my Inspiron into Windows was to use Fusion360, which IS GPU accelerated, there’s a whole menu about it.

        FreeCAD running in Linux on that same machine always outperformed Fusion360, and you’re telling me FreeCAD runs in software rendering? I’ve long suspected the discrete GPU on that laptop wasn’t working properly, this might just confirm it.

        • @[email protected]English
          1•4 months ago

          https://forum.freecad.org/viewtopic.php?style=4&t=65717

          FreeCAD of course “uses” the GPU in the same way that any graphical application must do, in order to put pixels or polygons into the screen buffer, within the graphics driver for whatever your video card is. The Coin3D modelling engine behind the scenes technically uses OpenGL for the final render to screen but none of the model geometry calculation or tessellation uses the GPU in any capacity whatsoever. FreeCAD’s workload is therefore almost entirely in software on the CPU.

          • Captain AggravatedOPEnglish
            1•4 months ago

            That I knew because you can run FreeCAD without it’s GUI, you can import it as a module into any random Python script if you really want to.

            I wonder if the raytracing workbench can run on the GPU? And I’ve got like three other things I should be concentrating on that I’m not going to look it up.