• mindbleach
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    8 months ago

    … and if the justification for a thing goes away, that means the thing is completely unaffected. Yeah?

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      8 months ago

      If you can argue that it’s never a concern that the government will illegally exceed its constitutional authority and threaten the country’s status as a free state, maybe. Good luck with that.

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        8 months ago

        Answer the question. Is “exceeding its authority” the justification, in the first half of that sentence?

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          8 months ago

          Ensuring a free state is the why, citizens owning guns is how

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            ‘We need X to do Y, therefore Z’ makes X the how.

            We objectively do not do X anymore. Not in any way that requires Z.

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              If you want MAGAs in government and law enforcement to be the only ones with guns then that’s your decision. The 2nd amendment makes sure everyone else doesn’t have to do that.

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                ‘American gun culture prevents American fascism’ is not what happened so far. They have a relationship. That’s not it.

                And again: the amendment justifies guns guns guns with a militia that no longer exists. It’s one sentence that does not say what you want.

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                  with a militia that no longer exists.

                  So you’re wrong here. But even if you weren’t, nowhere in the amendment does it say belonging to a militia is a requirement

                  ‘American gun culture prevents American fascism’ is not what happened so far. They have a relationship. That’s not it.

                  So passing gun control because the black panthers were arming themselves for protection against fascists is a success story for you?

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                    It literally says it’s for a militia. And that militia was replaced by the US Army.

                    The second amendment is about the state being able to raise an armed posse to defend the state.

                    So passing gun control because the black panthers were arming themselves for protection against fascists is a success story for you?

                    You lead a rich inner life.

                    I am the one pointing out, gun-nut culture doesn’t give a fuck about stopping fascism. Gun-nut culture doesn’t even care about a right to guns, if it’s the targets of fascism who have the guns. Since before I was born, American gun culture has been nigh-inseparable from the fascists you think it’ll stop.