Valve promotes lootboxes and even add them in their own games.
You don’t need a third party launcher to use Blender or Krita, neither to play Minetest, Mindustry, Endless sky, 0ad, Wesnoth and many other games.
Why are you so paranoid posting your name, address, credit card number, e-mail, age, IP address, device unique id, chat logs, forum posts, voice chat recordings, hardware enumeration, browser history? Never mind if you don’t want to share these information, my cousin work for Valve i can ask him for these anyway
4/5. Valve is not a machine, they are humans, they are not forced to be scummy just because everyone does it. Valve is pretty much a monopoly, they shaped the industry as it is more than everyone else. Who should we blame for lootboxes? 10 years old kids because they are stupid and buy these?
Loot boxes aren’t gambling if you earn them in game and don’t buy them. Personally, I believe that micro transactions for loot boxes should be outlawed altogether, but especially for kids. That doesn’t mean the practice of having those in games falls more on steam than the developers who push the practice in the first place.
No one is stopping indie devs from releasing their own games. Steam provides a service with tools and structure. Don’t pretend like steam just sells the game and takes a cut.
(3) Telling me to post my information is asking me for a show of good faith in an inquiry you are explicitly making in bad faith to bludgeon your point. There’s no good faith way to assert “well if it doesn’t matter than do it coward”. I don’t want to get doxxed. You don’t get doxxed when a company sells your info. There’s an extremely basic difference and you know it.
You’re just forcing your false equivalency to pretend your point has legitimacy, and in doing so have completely lost any credibility you might have had with me to begin with.
If your argument is in good faith, post yours. Otherwise don’t pretend like my not posting it proves anything except that you’re willing to stoop to bullying to push your point.
Why don’t you blame regulations on gambling that enable this behavior in the industry you so clearly despise. You’ll get further petitioning your government than yelling into the void about practices you don’t like.
Deciding that steam is the be-all end-all in the whole system is just asinine. You’ll argue that steam can be better and that’s the only reason you’re saying any of this, but the harsh truth is that steam could be quite a lot worse.
But seriously though, I am completely done with this conversation. You have shown multiple times in every single comment you have made so far that good faith isn’t really a thing for you.
I don’t know what you’re trying to accomplish but it certainly isn’t changing my mind. I’m definitely not going to change yours. Someone who makes a comment like “Valve is abducting kids into gambling for greed and profit” isn’t looking to accept logic except in a way that confirms their own bias.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loot_box#Player_expenditures_and_gambling_concerns
I personally believe that micro transactions shouldn’t be outlawed, you cannot ask everything to the law or expect to be a law for everything. It’s people that should open their eyes and stop defending scum companies promoting them. Valve has it’s own games with lootboxes. They are both to blame as developers and publishers.
When someone get all your informations you indeed are getting doxed you are just not aware.
I blame the scammers and the people defending the scammers, like you, shame on you for defending greedy ass companies like valve who profit out of kids.
greedy ass companies like valve who profit out of kids.
Again, and for the last time, you have a problem with the industry. Extreme statements like this reveal what your intentions actually are. If valve is to blame, then by the same logic you would have all but the smallest game devs and publishers not exist for the want of them doing things correctly according to you, and you’d call it a solution.
This conversation is going nowhere, you will not be satisfied.
Also, telling me I’m being doxxed anyway demonstrates pretty thoroughly that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Thanks for that.
EEE has nothing to do with what steam is. Other game stores exist that valve can’t affect on other platforms. You’re just pulling things out of your ass.
And finally, saying the government shouldn’t have to fix something that won’t fix itself, as evidenced by the fact that loot boxes have been an issue for a decade now, and just resorting to shaming people as a method of reprisal, has a name.
You are virtue signaling. And what you are doing here is about as effective as virtue signaling.
Anyway, blame whoever you want. The time you could have changed anyone’s mind here passed with your very first comment, as evidenced by the downvotes.
Again, and for the last time, you have a problem with the industry.
Again, Valve it’s part of the industry and one if not the biggest chunk of it.
You are saying lootbooxes are an issue the government should regulate and you are spending hours defending the forprofit company of the people who pioneered lootboxes and made them popular among kids more than everybody else.
You’re yelling into the void. Enjoy that.
I don’t enjoy it much but you seem confused and i’m trying to help you figure out that valve is yet another evil forprofit company and that defending them doesn’t bring any justice into the world.
Valve promotes lootboxes and even add them in their own games.
You don’t need a third party launcher to use Blender or Krita, neither to play Minetest, Mindustry, Endless sky, 0ad, Wesnoth and many other games.
Why are you so paranoid posting your name, address, credit card number, e-mail, age, IP address, device unique id, chat logs, forum posts, voice chat recordings, hardware enumeration, browser history? Never mind if you don’t want to share these information, my cousin work for Valve i can ask him for these anyway
4/5. Valve is not a machine, they are humans, they are not forced to be scummy just because everyone does it. Valve is pretty much a monopoly, they shaped the industry as it is more than everyone else. Who should we blame for lootboxes? 10 years old kids because they are stupid and buy these?
Loot boxes aren’t gambling if you earn them in game and don’t buy them. Personally, I believe that micro transactions for loot boxes should be outlawed altogether, but especially for kids. That doesn’t mean the practice of having those in games falls more on steam than the developers who push the practice in the first place.
No one is stopping indie devs from releasing their own games. Steam provides a service with tools and structure. Don’t pretend like steam just sells the game and takes a cut.
(3) Telling me to post my information is asking me for a show of good faith in an inquiry you are explicitly making in bad faith to bludgeon your point. There’s no good faith way to assert “well if it doesn’t matter than do it coward”. I don’t want to get doxxed. You don’t get doxxed when a company sells your info. There’s an extremely basic difference and you know it.
You’re just forcing your false equivalency to pretend your point has legitimacy, and in doing so have completely lost any credibility you might have had with me to begin with.
If your argument is in good faith, post yours. Otherwise don’t pretend like my not posting it proves anything except that you’re willing to stoop to bullying to push your point.
Deciding that steam is the be-all end-all in the whole system is just asinine. You’ll argue that steam can be better and that’s the only reason you’re saying any of this, but the harsh truth is that steam could be quite a lot worse.
But seriously though, I am completely done with this conversation. You have shown multiple times in every single comment you have made so far that good faith isn’t really a thing for you.
I don’t know what you’re trying to accomplish but it certainly isn’t changing my mind. I’m definitely not going to change yours. Someone who makes a comment like “Valve is abducting kids into gambling for greed and profit” isn’t looking to accept logic except in a way that confirms their own bias.
This is pointless.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loot_box#Player_expenditures_and_gambling_concerns I personally believe that micro transactions shouldn’t be outlawed, you cannot ask everything to the law or expect to be a law for everything. It’s people that should open their eyes and stop defending scum companies promoting them. Valve has it’s own games with lootboxes. They are both to blame as developers and publishers.
A monopoly eat the whole market. Proprietary standards and walled gardens too threaten the whole community https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend,_and_extinguish
When someone get all your informations you indeed are getting doxed you are just not aware.
I blame the scammers and the people defending the scammers, like you, shame on you for defending greedy ass companies like valve who profit out of kids.
Again, and for the last time, you have a problem with the industry. Extreme statements like this reveal what your intentions actually are. If valve is to blame, then by the same logic you would have all but the smallest game devs and publishers not exist for the want of them doing things correctly according to you, and you’d call it a solution.
This conversation is going nowhere, you will not be satisfied.
Also, telling me I’m being doxxed anyway demonstrates pretty thoroughly that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Thanks for that.
EEE has nothing to do with what steam is. Other game stores exist that valve can’t affect on other platforms. You’re just pulling things out of your ass.
And finally, saying the government shouldn’t have to fix something that won’t fix itself, as evidenced by the fact that loot boxes have been an issue for a decade now, and just resorting to shaming people as a method of reprisal, has a name.
You are virtue signaling. And what you are doing here is about as effective as virtue signaling.
Anyway, blame whoever you want. The time you could have changed anyone’s mind here passed with your very first comment, as evidenced by the downvotes.
You’re yelling into the void. Enjoy that.
Again, Valve it’s part of the industry and one if not the biggest chunk of it.
You are saying lootbooxes are an issue the government should regulate and you are spending hours defending the forprofit company of the people who pioneered lootboxes and made them popular among kids more than everybody else.
I don’t enjoy it much but you seem confused and i’m trying to help you figure out that valve is yet another evil forprofit company and that defending them doesn’t bring any justice into the world.