• Ogmios
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    Yes. Democracy is when you refuse to allow the people to have a say in their systems of governance.

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      Yes. Democracy is when you refuse to allow the people a party that wants to dismantle the democratic state and bringing in nothing than hate to have a say in their systems of governance.

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        Maybe if you want to prevent such a hypothetical future the democratic solution is to offer something better for people to vote for, instead of using threats of violence by employing the law to enforce your systems.

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          There is and never will be a perfect system of whatsoever. I’d rather watch them nazi party get forbidden than waiting for a solution that will come in place when it is already too late.

          And unless you aren’t a nazi, putin follower or trumpist, I don’t know why I even have to explain why a German future with a nazi party at its front will be no good for nobody.

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            It is easy to say that when you’re not the one that they are using the law against.

            Will you say that when they come for you next?

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              If they come for me because I’m a fascist, then yes, just take me out behind the shed and put me out of my misery.

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                  If they came for me because I was a communist, socialist, trade unionist, or Jew? I would speak up and fight back.

                  If they came for me because I was denying people their right to exist, like I said, stick a fork in me, I’m done.

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              Are you actually referencing the “first they came for the Jews but I wasn’t a Jew” thing to argue that we should let nazis go ahead and take the power?

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            The solution being proposed here to prevent authoritarian systems is… other authoritarian systems. Can you understand why people see this as a problem brewing?

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                Removing people’s ability to choose the government they desire is not democracy.

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                  Unless they want to remove the ability to chose a government ever again.

                  What you are saying: It is okay to let facists and dictators take over the world.

                  What I am saying: It’s not.

                  Simple as that.

                  Feel free to answer this post, I’m out.

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                    Simple as that.

                    The situation is nowhere near that simple. You just want to pretend it is so you don’t have to ask difficult questions that challenge your perspective, like why the current government is wildly unpopular.

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      Checks and balances are about preventing a small faction of the government from gaining absolute control of the entire government. It’s not about preventing a say, it’s about preventing a total takeover that prevents anyone else from having a say in the future.