What the hell is wrong with them? Veterans deserve any and all medically determined care. And, we should be treating everyone for humanitarian reasons, citizen or not. My take away here is that we should have universal health care so we don’t have misses like this again.
You realize that isn’t a good argument. People in other countries have to wait much longer than most Americans for medical care. That is one of the complaints of the switching systems.
Americans also concerned with the increase in taxes. We are already being taxed to death.
“Patients in peer nations generally have similar or shorter wait times than patients in the United States for a variety of services, refuting the argument that universal coverage would necessarily result in longer wait times in the future.”
Americans also concerned with the increase in taxes
We pay more than those with universal healthcare because we pay for middlemen, advertisements, and other bloat that corporations cause. It would ultimately save us money to ditch the corporate middlemen and have a service that works for everyone:
“Second, we compared extending the current system with the alternative Medicare for All policy, which can save the same number of lives at a cost that is $631 billion lower than the cost of extending the current system.”
Even if it wasn’t cost effective (it is far more cost effective), it’s the morally correct thing to do to treat the sick.
We are already being taxed to death.
And that’s because the rich do not pay their fair share. We are taking on a tax burden that the rich unfairly shoved onto us, but that’s a different discussion. One that conservatives don’t care about as evidenced by the complete lack of post on the matter in this sub.
If Jesus came back and visited a Trump rally, they would have crucified him a second time for daring to suggest something as communist as “treat the sick”.
I want universal health care, but I’ve seen other examples of government healthcare, like the VA, and it is absolute trash, and for that reason I think UHC in America would be a really bad idea.
This is the reason obstructionism works. The VA sucks because it’s not funded, because some people in our politics keep voting against it, among other things. This bolsters their own argument that “you must keep health care private, because look how bad government healthcare is”
You can’t point at half-assed things that were intentionally neutered and then claim it’s evidence a more comprehensive solution wouldn’t work
Also Medicare is great. All the senators and house reps love it.
Medicare is self neutering. Most decent doctors won’t take it. That’s why we need to increase the payout to be reasonable.
Anyone who says the VA is bad, mostly like has never used the VA. It’s mixed. Location changes the VA considerably. I just don’t use it because I have good insurance.
Many of my friends use it and they are happy with it.
Because in order to get UHC at all you have to get rid of the obstructionists first ;D Until then, you’re not actually getting UHC
ETA: if you’re already starting with the assumption that extreme corruption is inevitable in any and all systems regardless of attempts at mitigation then there’s no point in anything, as everything will always end in corruption and it becomes “pick your preferred flavor of hell”.
VA is hit or miss. I rarely ever use it. I’d never use it for surgery. If you just need a script, it’s a decent option but my insurance has cheap scripts.
I want an Australian system. Universal care with a private option. The best of both worlds.
Our current system is stupid. The people most likely to need healthcare are people without jobs and our insurance is tied to jobs. We could make workers more productive with a national plan.
What the hell is wrong with them? Veterans deserve any and all medically determined care. And, we should be treating everyone for humanitarian reasons, citizen or not. My take away here is that we should have universal health care so we don’t have misses like this again.
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Yep, just like you. I know it sounds really great because it is! Just look at most other developed countries.
You realize that isn’t a good argument. People in other countries have to wait much longer than most Americans for medical care. That is one of the complaints of the switching systems. Americans also concerned with the increase in taxes. We are already being taxed to death.
That’s not the case.
“Patients in peer nations generally have similar or shorter wait times than patients in the United States for a variety of services, refuting the argument that universal coverage would necessarily result in longer wait times in the future.”
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/truth-wait-times-universal-coverage-systems/
We pay more than those with universal healthcare because we pay for middlemen, advertisements, and other bloat that corporations cause. It would ultimately save us money to ditch the corporate middlemen and have a service that works for everyone:
“Second, we compared extending the current system with the alternative Medicare for All policy, which can save the same number of lives at a cost that is $631 billion lower than the cost of extending the current system.”
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30857-6/fulltext
Even if it wasn’t cost effective (it is far more cost effective), it’s the morally correct thing to do to treat the sick.
And that’s because the rich do not pay their fair share. We are taking on a tax burden that the rich unfairly shoved onto us, but that’s a different discussion. One that conservatives don’t care about as evidenced by the complete lack of post on the matter in this sub.
If i may, i might even suggest that treating the sick is the Christian thing to do. Not that I’m religious, it’s just a great sentiment.
If Jesus came back and visited a Trump rally, they would have crucified him a second time for daring to suggest something as communist as “treat the sick”.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-flies-sick-boy/
So now you think Trump is a communist and akin to Jesus?
You’re not actually addressing what I am saying, instead you’re going off on an unrelated tangent.
“Trump supporters are anti Jesus”
“Trump did good thing”
Trump doing good thing doesn’t negate or address the hostility Trump supporters have for Jesus’s teachings.
I want universal health care, but I’ve seen other examples of government healthcare, like the VA, and it is absolute trash, and for that reason I think UHC in America would be a really bad idea.
This is the reason obstructionism works. The VA sucks because it’s not funded, because some people in our politics keep voting against it, among other things. This bolsters their own argument that “you must keep health care private, because look how bad government healthcare is”
You can’t point at half-assed things that were intentionally neutered and then claim it’s evidence a more comprehensive solution wouldn’t work
Also Medicare is great. All the senators and house reps love it.
Whats to say that universal health care wouldnt be intentionally neutered?
Medicare is self neutering. Most decent doctors won’t take it. That’s why we need to increase the payout to be reasonable. Anyone who says the VA is bad, mostly like has never used the VA. It’s mixed. Location changes the VA considerably. I just don’t use it because I have good insurance.
Many of my friends use it and they are happy with it.
Where you live makes a huge difference.
Yall need to stop neutering it, that’s the whole point.
Because in order to get UHC at all you have to get rid of the obstructionists first ;D Until then, you’re not actually getting UHC
ETA: if you’re already starting with the assumption that extreme corruption is inevitable in any and all systems regardless of attempts at mitigation then there’s no point in anything, as everything will always end in corruption and it becomes “pick your preferred flavor of hell”.
VA is hit or miss. I rarely ever use it. I’d never use it for surgery. If you just need a script, it’s a decent option but my insurance has cheap scripts. I want an Australian system. Universal care with a private option. The best of both worlds.
Our current system is stupid. The people most likely to need healthcare are people without jobs and our insurance is tied to jobs. We could make workers more productive with a national plan.