• NuPNuA@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    How exactly do you believe the countries that have just joined NATO do anything about how the media informs people within Russia? The situation is what it is and all they can do is act to defend themselves, it’s up to the people within Russia to inform themselves better and reappraise their support for Putin and the invasion. Until then they have to be treated as a hostile and rogue nation.

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      1 year ago

      it’s up to the people within Russia to inform themselves better

      People in the US certainly didn’t manage that in 2003.

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        1 year ago

        bUt WhAt ABouT IraQ?

        Why move on to an unrelated topic from 20 years ago?

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          1 year ago

          If the people in the US have proved themselves incapable of “informing themselves better” (despite having far better sources of information to do it with), why are Russians on the hook for not doing so?

          Besides… one should be careful what one asks for - if the people of the world were to “inform themselves better,” it would be the US that gets treated as a “hostile and rogue nation.”

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            1 year ago

            Restating your whataboutism in more and different words doesn’t change its fundamental vacuousness.

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              1 year ago

              Nope… still seems as relevant to the conversation as it was the first time I stated it.

              Here, let me help keep you on track… if the people in the US have proved themselves incapable of “informing themselves better” (despite having far better sources of information to do it with), why are Russians on the hook for not doing so?

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                1 year ago

                If you believe that Americans should’ve been better informed, then you surely agree the same applies to Russians at the current time, right? Why, then, focus attention on something from 20 years ago instead of the active, ongoing situation in Ukraine?

                Whataboutism is a way of derailing a discussion with a seemingly related, but actually irrelevant, side point. Which is what you’re doing.

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                  1 year ago

                  If you believe that Americans should’ve been better informed, then you surely agree the same applies to Russians at the current time, right?

                  I also believe that the moon being made out of cheddar would have been great for cheese-lovers here on Earth - that doesn’t mean I expect to find moon rocks in the diary aisle.

                  Whataboutism is a way of derailing

                  Whine about whataboutism all you want - it’s not going to stop me from pointing out your hypocritical double-standards.