“The temporary restraining order granted by the Travis County district judge purporting to allow an abortion to proceed will not insulate hospitals, doctors or anyone else from civil and criminal liability for violating Texas’ abortion laws,” Paxton said in a statement shortly after the judge’s decision. “This includes first degree felony prosecutions…and civil penalties of not less than $100,000 for each violation.

Paxton added, ominously: “The [judge’s temporary restraining order] will expire long before the statute of limitations for violating Texas’ abortion laws expires.”

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    What an unbelievable piece of shit. This dude is actually a demon and seriously hateful person. He shouldn’t be screaming around at doctors and women for protecting their lives, he should be screaming into pads at a psych hospital.

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      He should be screaming at the walls of a prison cell, because he’s a criminal on top of everything else you said.

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      It’s terrible, and he’s a terrible person. But, I had concerns that this case getting decided too fast would hurt the other case trying to overturn TX’s ban. One of the arguments in the state-wide ban case was that women could go to the court and get permission for abortion as needed. That’s a horrible solution that doesn’t scale, but if this case was too quick to resolve, the court could use it for cover and not have to rule on the overall ban in TX.

      Paxton acting like such an entitled prick about this ruling might actually help both cases survive. This case will get a stronger opinion by the judge, and the other case won’t be able to just point to this case as a “see you don’t need us” scapegoat way out of actually ruling on the larger ban question state-wide.

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      He’s already been acquitted on corruption charges for his blatant actions. Because Republicans will never vote to hold one of their own accountable.

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        That was a state impeachment, the person you are responding to is asking about the Federal indictment for Securities Fraud that this shitstain has been under for 8+ years now.

        The trial is a reminder that Paxton’s legal problems persist even after the Texas Senate acquitted him last month in an impeachment trial on unrelated allegations. Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick presided over that trial and has faced intense criticism for taking $3 million from a pro-Paxton group in the lead-up to the trial.

        “Unlike the impeachment, this is going to be a fair trial,” special prosecutor Kent Schaffer told reporters after the hearing. “This judge is not corrupt. This judge is not on the take.”

        He should literally be in prison right now.

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        That was only the political impeachment. The FBI criminal investigation is still ongoing

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      That would be nice but I don’t imagine there are many doctors who would refuse to care for him, because their oath is to care for the sick and wounded and to show them compassion even if they don’t deserve it.

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        I agree that would be the most likely outcome in my fantasy scenario. However it brings to mind why are docs not helping these women when faced with jail or losing their license? If they’re charged to do no harm how could they stay and practice in Texas knowing they may face a situation where they have to turn away a pregnant woman in crisis?

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          My guess would be that because leaving would be difficult to begin with and further if they left then the care that they could have provided may not be provided at all.

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            Doctors aren’t exactly poor. It’s probably easier for them to relocate than other middle class or rather upper middle class people.

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              I think you’re overlooking the fact that most people have families and friends that they cannot easily abandon, which was my thinking in my post.

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                yeah i hate that. “Just move thousands of miles away bro, it’s easy!”

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              Exactly, there isn’t a single state in the entire USA that has an overabundance of medical professionals.

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      They have taken an oath to do no harm, after all. Letting him die would be a mercy to the state of Texas. Literally would save countless lives.

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    Seriously, imagine being so fucking stupid, self-entitled, and scientifically illiterate that you cannot accept the brutality of the real world where fetuses can have genetic defects that make them non-viable. I’m not even surprised anymore by the sheer level of willful stupidity and back-bending these fucking morons will go to in order to satisfy the infantile fantasies of their supporters.

    In a just world all the women Ken Paxton has caused life-long pain and suffering would be allowed to slowly slice off his genitals with a mandoline or a zester.

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      For every raging conservative politician idiot there are thousands of raging idiot conservative supporters loving every hateful statement coming from their mouth.

      Make sure you VOTE.

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      Seriously, imagine being so fucking stupid, self-entitled, and scientifically illiterate

      Allow me to paraphrase: imagine being a Republican

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      Except it’s not stupidity, they’re trying to take the US back to the 1950’s for white men.

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      It also goes against everything the Bible actually says regarding abortion. The mother’s life is more important. Hell, purposefully causing a miscarriage was only a fine under Biblical law.

      He’s a fucking monster & I can’t wait to see him incarcerated Federally. I will actually write him to taunt him.

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      Wilhoit 's Law:

      Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition, to wit: There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

      To state the obvious, he’s the former.

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    Just remember, an AG is not a judge or medical professional. They do not judge trials or pass convictions or decide on what course of treatment is appropriate for a patient.

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      They don’t have to be a Judge to ruin your life. How many people can go months without a job and pay tens of thousands in legal fees because you’ve been jailed on charges that a judge/jury will later find you innocent.

      The AG doesn’t have to pay you back for that.

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    Then as more prenatal departments close and doctors move out of state many will be confused by why there is this lack of services available and why younger family members are facing a hard time trying to give birth or find the medical support they need.

    It wasn’t that hard when they were young. Life was just great when they were younger… /s

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      I have a feeling that the people who support this guy are also the group that think vaccinating babies is evil and that home births are better.

      I literally had a TON of women on Instagram try to attack me for calling out a post saying doctors and hospitals cause more harm than good in the US.

      Most of it was along the lines of “women have been giving birth without doctors for thousands of years, our bodies know what to do”, all while ignoring the fact that both infant mortality and women’s birthing mortality rates have dropped from around 1.5% (of ALL women, not just pregnant women) to 0.015% (don’t quote me on that, it’s been a while since I looked up the numbers).

      I even had one woman say that because I’m a man that I’m not allowed to say anything and her “genetic feminine memory”, as if she’s some Gao’uld symbiote from Stargate, trumps all “so-called medical doctors degrees”.

      How do you talk with these people?

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    I honestly can’t see his angle here. In Ireland, a similar case galvanized the famously culturally catholic population in support of abortion. This would be a slam dunk to very publicly allow as a sign that this is a reasonable law. Not allowing it is obviously, clearly pointless in and of itself, as the fetus is non viable. Not allowing it is politically a show of power, but one that even pro life people historically don’t support. He must just think people are different in Texas and Ireland, but I hope he’s wrong.

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      It’s a losing battle, but Republicans (particularly the ones in power) have been responding to that by doubling down for the past thirty years. It convinced their base that it’s a display of strength and leadership while everyone else looks on in horror.

      I guess we’ll see if their strategy ultimately pays off.

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    I really hope they just ignore him. I understand there are significant risks and consequences here but at a certain point doing the right thing has to trump whatever possible negatives would come about from disobeying an unjust law.

    Even if you did lose your medical license and paid a hefty fine I feel like you’d ultimately be fine. There’s gotta be a doctor out there that would revel in the fact they’d be known as the kickass doctor that disobeyed Ken Paxton. I’m sure you could pivot into something else. Might even be happier and richer making a YouTube channel or TikTok clock or whatever it is the kids are doing these days.

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        We’re in a real sorry state if hoping for the existence of one good doctor out of all the doctors can somehow be considered idealism

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        I don’t know the law to well but I wonder what would happen if the mother tried to place attempted murder charges against the attorney general using the precident that a judge already ruled it to be a legal health procedure. Would a judge not be able to place him in prison denying bond because the threat made is still possible?

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      I hear rumours that losing your medical licence only really applies to that one state, over there. Image if all the doctors lose their licence, just in those states that don’t allow abortion. Would no doctors at all make them rethink their stance?

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      That’s a lot to ask of the doctor and hospital. They have a lot to lose. While I agree it would be very satisfying as an external viewer, I also don’t want to see any of them catchconsequences for doing the right thing. Buying her an airline ticket to civilization would be cheaper, even if you included the Uber to the hospital

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    Are doctors legally bound by the “do no harm” Hippo-oath or have I watched too many shows and it’s like the “are you a cop, you gotta tell me” lie?

    At this point, the only way forward I see is for all doctors banding together to refuse healthcare to any lawmakers, politicians etc that have restricted healthcare to others. Then just wait for one of them to break a leg, get appendicitis, cancer or a mild car crash…

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      I think you may be looking at this from a non-doctor/healthcare worker perspective. Typically, people go into healthcare because of a desire to help people. Allowing others to suffer - even objectively “evil” people - is antithetical to their being. Not saying that there aren’t doctors who are entirely in it for the money, but I believe those are a minor percentage of the whole.

      There is another way forward, and it’s happening already: doctors are leaving places that continue to implement shitty laws. Some out of protest to the laws, some out of fear that they may provide proper care for a patient and be sent to jail for it.

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    Bring it. I hope this goes all the way to the Supreme Court and they lose. This will spectacularly backfire.

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      Um… Our illegitimate “supreme” court is who caused this. This was always their intention. This is all part of the conservative plan for the country.

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        I guess I’m just hoping by the time it gets there, maybe some sanity will have returned. Wishful thinking I guess.

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          I think you’d be more likely to see the court outlaw it entirely the next time than repudiate their bullshit Dobbs decision.

          The only way the court will be swayed is if some of the conservative fucks die or congress adds justices to make the court more in line with the public.

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        This is a fundamentally different question though. Is the AG allowed to interfere in such a way so as to make a lawful order from a judge unable to be executed?

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          And our corrupt as fuck SC will side with the AG.

          That’s the whole reason you’re seeing southern states making blatantly unconstitutional laws.

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    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    The baby has no chance of survival, but under Texas law, there are only two options available to Cox: a vaginal delivery, or a C-section.

    Travis County Judge Maya Guerra Gamble heard from both Cox’s lawyers and the state of Texas — whose lawyer argued that Cox didn’t meet the threshold for a medical exception to the state’s multiple abortion bans — earlier this week.

    On Thursday, Judge Gamble reportedly teared up as she read her opinion from the bench: “The idea that Ms. Cox wants so desperately to be a parent and this law may have her lose that ability is shocking and would be a genuine miscarriage of justice.” She granted the temporary restraining order, clearing a path for Cox to obtain an emergency abortion.

    Cox, Gamble wrote in her opinion, “has already been to three emergency rooms with severe cramping, diarrhea, and leaking unidentifiable fluid.

    Texas attorney general Ken Paxton wasted no time threatening anyone who would aid Cox in obtaining an abortion.

    “The temporary restraining order granted by the Travis County district judge purporting to allow an abortion to proceed will not insulate hospitals, doctors or anyone else from civil and criminal liability for violating Texas’ abortion laws,” Paxton said in a statement shortly after the judge’s decision.


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