• Tavarin@lemmy.ca
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    11 months ago

    Absolute certainty even of observed phenomena forgets that these are observed phenomena

    Science is only trying to explain observed phenomenon. And if everyone is measurably observing things the same, then we can be certain such a thing exists ion our observed reality.

    Fucking lol

    Since Einstein died we’ve invented computers, the internet, we’ve decoded the entire human genome, we’ve come up with ways to image the structures of proteins, and visualize individual atoms within a molecule, and so much more. Yeah, I do know more than Einstein did.

    And you think that supports your argument?

    Yes, because he’s the one you quoted, and he didn’t even believe his own statement. And I am only expressing absolute certainty in things that have shown absolute evidence for, such as gravity, evolution, the fact we are made of trillions of tiny cells. These are absolute certainties.

    when I was a teenager

    You still are a teenager, you have never once said otherwise when I have called you a bratty teen, so you are one. You also have not given me any credentials still.

    and it makes me sick.

    You’ve done nothing but insult me for ages now, and I make you sick? Fuck off you little prick.

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      11 months ago

      You still are a teenager

      I’m not, but you’re behaving like a teenager cosplaying. You have done nothing but show you don’t understand the fundamentals of science. Your reading comprehension is abysmal, you’re arrogant, logically illiterate, and just generally unpleasant. If you’re not cosplaying, you’re the worst kind of science professional. The fewer we have like you, the better.

      I hope you learn some humility when you grow up.

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        11 months ago

        You’ve insulted my integrity as a scientist, said I add nothing to scientific discourse, and said I have brain rot. Only after all that shit you threw at me did I become unpleasant and call you an idiot.

        Look in a fucking mirror.

        And once again, what the fuck do you even know about science? What re your fucking credentials? Why do you refuse to answer such a simple question Mr. astrology is great, but I’m not so sure about gravity?

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          11 months ago

          Nowhere did I say that I was more confident in astrology than gravity. In fact, several times now I’ve said that I do not believe in astrology, and that I do believe in gravity. I have repeatedly acknowledged the vast relative difference in their supporting evidence. I only claimed that your statements that all astrologers were con-men and all horoscopes were fundamentally vague were incorrect, by virtue of the absolute nature of the claims. My only positive claim was that there is a non-zero possibility that there is an incidental correlation between approximate date of birth and certain personality traits. Not that it’s probable, not that it isn’t unlikely, but that at some future date we might find some effect, totally unrelated to the stars and planets in their courses, that corresponds to certain other effects.

          I said only that absolute certainty is brain rot. If you hadn’t claimed absolute certainty, it would not apply to you. I provided several authoritative scientific sources which reiterate that absolute certainty is fundamentally unscientific, falsifiability being central to the concept of scientific thought. You then persevered in your insistence on the unambiguous truth of unfalsifiable facts.

          You claimed to be more of an expert on the philosophy of science than Einstein, Sagan, and Feynman, by virtue of the irrelevant matter of time and technology. As if the fundamental precepts of the discipline have changed because we have more data and better processors. Science is science, fundamental uncertainty in science is one of those definitions like 2 + 2 = 4, or that carbon had 6 protons. No amount of experience supercedes axiomatic properties.

          I haven’t revealed any credentials, because credentials are irrelevant to science. That’s the point. It’s a methodical approach to incremental knowledge increase based on rigorous rationality, appropriately supported by evidence and reason. It’s only after your repeated disrespect to that fundamental property that I partially abandoned civility.

          This is why I question your reading comprehension. This is why I question your logical literacy. This is why I have serious doubts that you are the scientific professional you claim to be. This is middle school stuff. If you had any scientific education, you would know better.

          Science fundamentalism is a cancer that erodes the dignity of scientific pursuit. People like you who claim absolute certainty in the name of science are the cells that propagate that cancer.

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            11 months ago

            I haven’t revealed any credentials, because credentials are irrelevant to science

            Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

            God, what a joke.

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              11 months ago

              Yeah, see? You keep making banal statements like this. Credentials mean nothing. Sure, they might lend an initial air of credibility, but real credibility ultimately lies in evidence and reasoning. Generally those with high credentials support their claims with evidence and reasoning, but it is not the credentials themselves that provide credibility. That would be another deeply unscientific belief. Another for the growing mound.

              It wouldn’t surprise me if, assuming you are a research chemist, you are so hopelessly mired in The Game that you actually base credibility on titles and credentials instead. That hypothesis would be consistent with your observed behavior. And yet, credentials meant nothing to you in the case of Einstein, as you were so eager to point out, and you are certainly no Einstein.

              Keep playing The Game, mixologist.

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                11 months ago

                God you’re a dumbass, and know fuck-all about science. People are judged on their credentials, which guess what, includes their published research. You’re actual peer-reviewed research is part of your credentials.

                And you just keep waxing philosophical, because you have nothing to actually go on. You have no credentials. No peer-reviewed papers, no actual scientific experience. you’re just a schmuck.

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                  11 months ago

                  There’s that science fundamentalism again, and the piss-poor reading comprehension. Credentials only have value in that they imply adherence to good practice. Bad practice by a Nobel Laureate is worth less than good practice by some no name. You fundamentalists are preventing science into a religious cult of personality.

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                    11 months ago

                    Bad practice by a Nobel Laureate is worth less than good practice by some no name

                    And peer-reviewed papers will reflect that dumbass. You keep accusing me of bad reading comprehension, when you’ve shown it time and timer again.

                    And if you feel so strongly about this why don’t you enter the sciences and actually try to make a change?

                    Go ahead and write that grant application about how you’ll disprove the very existence of gravity. Go ahead, I’ll wait and see how well that gets funded.