I never said they should go anywhere. Israel not existing simply means Israel, the Jewish state, not existing, not its people being driven off.
Let’s think about this for a second. If one democratic state was created, and a government elected, given population differences alone and presumed voting along established political (ie religious) lines, you’d end up with a Jewish/Israeli government rather than a Muslim/Arab government.
Two independent, internationally recognised, and supported, nations is the only viable option.
Over a very long time powersharing may be an option, but that’s not now, or any time soon.
given population differences alone and presumed voting along established political (ie religious) lines, you’d end up with a Jewish/Israeli government rather than a Muslim/Arab government.
You’d end up with a government with both groups. It’d be possible to, for example, have a large Arab party in a coalition government with a left-wing Jewish coalition. And also someone like Netanyahu would’ve never won; because Palestinians would all rally around someone else.
This is especially true in a parliamentary government like Israel; the Knesset would look much different if the Palestinian population suddenly tripled.
Yeah right wingers and Palestinians don’t go together at all. I’m saying that with more Palestinians a left wing-Palestinian government is also possible.
A Palestinian government of a single unified state is not possible. A left wing one doubly so. The demographics are far too split and far too easily divided. There is no Mandela equivalent who can appeal to both sides whilst pushing peace, and so the polarisation would continue on religious lines. It would quickly devolve to a two party state, regardless of electoral method, because it would become solely about power.
You’d just end up with an even worse situation than now, and an all out civil war. All that would be achieved is the expansion of the current Israeli state, something you claim you’re against.
Please think things through rather than just wishing for convenient solutions.
Okay I think you misunderstood me. I meant a coalition with left-wing and Palestinian parties. The 2021 government had an Arab party in the coalition so it’s not exactly impossible. At least on matters of Palestinians these two groups have a decent amount of common ground, no?
As I’ve been saying from the beginning, you would find voting would concentrate around two blocks, drawn on religious lines because that is the main divisor.
Any election campaign would fuel that fight, and voting for smaller parties would be characterised as a negative to concentrate power, likely pushed through narratives of eradication. You’d end up with one major “Israeli” party and one “Palestinian” party, with the “Israeli” party wining because there are more of them.
If you’re going to compare to an apartied state - and I think that is valid - you also need to look at how South Africa transitioned, and how Mandela specifically was vital to that. He achieved a largely peaceful restructuring of the country, and one not often repeated elsewhere.
Think about it like this; almost permentently since 1947 the people in power of the region have been right wing, and stoked violent rhetoric against each other, and often calling for the destruction of the other. That dynamic doesn’t go away overnight, even if the walls are torn down.
Let’s think about this for a second. If one democratic state was created, and a government elected, given population differences alone and presumed voting along established political (ie religious) lines, you’d end up with a Jewish/Israeli government rather than a Muslim/Arab government.
Two independent, internationally recognised, and supported, nations is the only viable option.
Over a very long time powersharing may be an option, but that’s not now, or any time soon.
You’d end up with a government with both groups. It’d be possible to, for example, have a large Arab party in a coalition government with a left-wing Jewish coalition. And also someone like Netanyahu would’ve never won; because Palestinians would all rally around someone else.
This is especially true in a parliamentary government like Israel; the Knesset would look much different if the Palestinian population suddenly tripled.
There is no way that coalition would work together. I mean just look at the absolute mess the Israeli government coalition currently is.
It’s a complete pipedream, we can’t just wish the situation is different.
Isn’t that coalition mostly right wing?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah right wingers and Palestinians don’t go together at all. I’m saying that with more Palestinians a left wing-Palestinian government is also possible.
A Palestinian government of a single unified state is not possible. A left wing one doubly so. The demographics are far too split and far too easily divided. There is no Mandela equivalent who can appeal to both sides whilst pushing peace, and so the polarisation would continue on religious lines. It would quickly devolve to a two party state, regardless of electoral method, because it would become solely about power.
You’d just end up with an even worse situation than now, and an all out civil war. All that would be achieved is the expansion of the current Israeli state, something you claim you’re against.
Please think things through rather than just wishing for convenient solutions.
Okay I think you misunderstood me. I meant a coalition with left-wing and Palestinian parties. The 2021 government had an Arab party in the coalition so it’s not exactly impossible. At least on matters of Palestinians these two groups have a decent amount of common ground, no?
As I’ve been saying from the beginning, you would find voting would concentrate around two blocks, drawn on religious lines because that is the main divisor.
Any election campaign would fuel that fight, and voting for smaller parties would be characterised as a negative to concentrate power, likely pushed through narratives of eradication. You’d end up with one major “Israeli” party and one “Palestinian” party, with the “Israeli” party wining because there are more of them.
If you’re going to compare to an apartied state - and I think that is valid - you also need to look at how South Africa transitioned, and how Mandela specifically was vital to that. He achieved a largely peaceful restructuring of the country, and one not often repeated elsewhere.
Think about it like this; almost permentently since 1947 the people in power of the region have been right wing, and stoked violent rhetoric against each other, and often calling for the destruction of the other. That dynamic doesn’t go away overnight, even if the walls are torn down.