At what point did the entire human race collectively agree. We make up a fictional characters that has elves and shit and can space travel with magic reindeer.
It’s not just western world. Other parts just agree to go along with our madness
Religion is a different kettle of fish. It’s pretty loose. Interpretation is a massive part. Why you’ve hundreds of different sects of Christianity. Loads of different ways to pray to worship and even what to do in terms of Christmas holidays and birthdays.
Christmas with Santa is similar with varying degrees. But it’s still got some characteristics throughout. Plus it’s only been what 50/ 60 years. It’s come up fast and lasted.
Who the fuck do you think “Santa Claus” is? Europe has Christmas festivals going back hundreds of years?
Hell, part of the reason we have Christmas is because of the Romans and their Saturnalia celebrations. When Constantine said “Everyone in Rome is now Christian” he had to do some things to back it up, like re-arranging celebrations to match the new state religion.
England, in particular, is a Christian country and they dominated the globe for a long time. The Queen of India resided in England never set a foot in fucking India. That’s how such practices are spread so wide.
The made up elves north pole. Guy in a sled handing out presents is family modern. Yes it goes back to pagan times but that was in a specific country.
Yeah all that is the origins. But the made up capitalism holiday it is now. It’s only been since maybe the 50s and the most modern stuff is only 30 plus years old. Elves and the pretending.
Letters from Father Christmas, formerly known as The Father Christmas Letters, are a collection of letters written and illustrated by J. R. R. Tolkien between 1920 and 1943 for his children, from Father Christmas.
The stories are told in the format of a series of letters, told either from the point of view of Father Christmas or his elvish secretary. They document the adventures and misadventures of Father Christmas and his helpers, including the North Polar Bear and his two sidekick cubs, Paksu and Valkotukka.
Elves were definitely a trope prior to the 1950’s, as evidenced by JRR Tolkeins “Father Christmas Letters” to his children starting in 1920.
Saint Nicholas was known for handing out gifts which is where the Santa handing out gifts stories came from. Gift giving and receiving has been part of Christmas the whole time.
You might just be thinking about heavily Coca-Cola has used Santa in their marketing during the period you’re of which you’re speaking. The fat, jolly red-suited modern image we so often think of was heavily influenced by Coca-Cola advertising campaigns. Capitalism did spiral into hyper-out-of-control and the pressure to buy and give presents has never been higher, but to act like those things were only recent additions to the tradition is false. Rather a “happy” confluence of holiday and commerce (in the eyes of business people anyway), honestly, like most modern holidays. Christmas isn’t alone in the commercialization. I mean we may as well be asking “What the fuck does the sacrifice of Saint Valentine have to do with romance and buying flowers?”
Oh absolutely. Don’t disagree. My original point was the madness that the world follows through with the elves and red Santa sleigh thing.
I’ve not researched into when those things started happening. I was just assuming around the 50s after the war. Obviously Xmas has been around in some for a lot of humans existence.
I specifically was thinking about what parents lie to kids about. I’m not sure exactly what that is though.
The red guy was the 50s I think. Before that he was green and I think I bit more st Nicholas. But it’s hard to nail down since there’s likely very few accounts of things. It wasn’t a year where the world came to an agreement on what Santa was and how it should be portrayed. That would have been even more bonkers
I strongly suggest you look into the history of Coca-Cola and Santa. There is actually quite a lot of known history in regards to that particular companies representation of Santa and how big a part Santa played in their holiday advertising. If I recall correctly, the red was eventually settled on for his outfit because it evoked the color of a Coca-Cola bottle.
No I know coke had a big impact but I mean other best haven’t been written down. That’s the most evidenced bit. Maybe I’m just wrong. Seems to happen often.
The agreement was made on December 25, 1902 and codified in the Yellowknife Accords. Signatory nations passed laws requiring local compliance in the subsequent decade, often with significant jail time for those who violated the psyop.
Many scholars believe the Yellowknife Accords were a template for the subsequent 1932 Zurich Pact (which implemented the Easter Bunny) and 1968 Johannesburg Protocol (defining the Tooth Fairy, although original drafts referred to the Mouth Monkey).
Was literally saying this yesterday.
At what point did the entire human race collectively agree. We make up a fictional characters that has elves and shit and can space travel with magic reindeer.
It’s not just western world. Other parts just agree to go along with our madness
My guy, have you heard about religion?
Collective delusion in humans and teaching it to our children goes way back.
Religion is a different kettle of fish. It’s pretty loose. Interpretation is a massive part. Why you’ve hundreds of different sects of Christianity. Loads of different ways to pray to worship and even what to do in terms of Christmas holidays and birthdays.
Christmas with Santa is similar with varying degrees. But it’s still got some characteristics throughout. Plus it’s only been what 50/ 60 years. It’s come up fast and lasted.
Uhhhh, Saint Nicholas died nearly 1650 years ago?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas
Who the fuck do you think “Santa Claus” is? Europe has Christmas festivals going back hundreds of years?
Hell, part of the reason we have Christmas is because of the Romans and their Saturnalia celebrations. When Constantine said “Everyone in Rome is now Christian” he had to do some things to back it up, like re-arranging celebrations to match the new state religion.
England, in particular, is a Christian country and they dominated the globe for a long time. The Queen of India resided in England never set a foot in fucking India. That’s how such practices are spread so wide.
The made up elves north pole. Guy in a sled handing out presents is family modern. Yes it goes back to pagan times but that was in a specific country.
Yeah all that is the origins. But the made up capitalism holiday it is now. It’s only been since maybe the 50s and the most modern stuff is only 30 plus years old. Elves and the pretending.
That bit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Father_Christmas_Letters
Elves were definitely a trope prior to the 1950’s, as evidenced by JRR Tolkeins “Father Christmas Letters” to his children starting in 1920.
Saint Nicholas was known for handing out gifts which is where the Santa handing out gifts stories came from. Gift giving and receiving has been part of Christmas the whole time.
You might just be thinking about heavily Coca-Cola has used Santa in their marketing during the period you’re of which you’re speaking. The fat, jolly red-suited modern image we so often think of was heavily influenced by Coca-Cola advertising campaigns. Capitalism did spiral into hyper-out-of-control and the pressure to buy and give presents has never been higher, but to act like those things were only recent additions to the tradition is false. Rather a “happy” confluence of holiday and commerce (in the eyes of business people anyway), honestly, like most modern holidays. Christmas isn’t alone in the commercialization. I mean we may as well be asking “What the fuck does the sacrifice of Saint Valentine have to do with romance and buying flowers?”
Oh absolutely. Don’t disagree. My original point was the madness that the world follows through with the elves and red Santa sleigh thing. I’ve not researched into when those things started happening. I was just assuming around the 50s after the war. Obviously Xmas has been around in some for a lot of humans existence.
I specifically was thinking about what parents lie to kids about. I’m not sure exactly what that is though.
The red guy was the 50s I think. Before that he was green and I think I bit more st Nicholas. But it’s hard to nail down since there’s likely very few accounts of things. It wasn’t a year where the world came to an agreement on what Santa was and how it should be portrayed. That would have been even more bonkers
I strongly suggest you look into the history of Coca-Cola and Santa. There is actually quite a lot of known history in regards to that particular companies representation of Santa and how big a part Santa played in their holiday advertising. If I recall correctly, the red was eventually settled on for his outfit because it evoked the color of a Coca-Cola bottle.
No I know coke had a big impact but I mean other best haven’t been written down. That’s the most evidenced bit. Maybe I’m just wrong. Seems to happen often.
Merry Christmas
The agreement was made on December 25, 1902 and codified in the Yellowknife Accords. Signatory nations passed laws requiring local compliance in the subsequent decade, often with significant jail time for those who violated the psyop.
Many scholars believe the Yellowknife Accords were a template for the subsequent 1932 Zurich Pact (which implemented the Easter Bunny) and 1968 Johannesburg Protocol (defining the Tooth Fairy, although original drafts referred to the Mouth Monkey).