• @[email protected]
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    1206 months ago

    If you can’t publicly register your car, you can’t use public roads. Be sovereign on you own sovereign roads.

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          These players obviously and clearly wanted “the people”, not just adults, “to keep and bear Arms”.

          To that end, I want nuclear warheads for the schoolchildren stat and I want to outlaw bullets, please. No I’m not kidding I’ll see you all in hell.

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              Breaking news here tonight a student at Oppenheimer High opened fire today with a nuclear warhead. We do not currently know the identity of the perpetrator. Police cannot enter to rescue victims because the radiation is too high. PPE against radiation will be delivered to the PD later today, but for now there is nothing they can do.

              Concerns are being raised over civilian access to nuclear weapons. This is the second school nuking attempt this month. The first was at Robert Elementary where the warhead failed to explode. I’ll turn you over to Jackson Lee with the latest on this incident. Jackson tell us what you’ve gathered.

              LEE: We haven’t learned much but police have deployed a drone to look more into this incident, however they do not know exactly how the drone will respond when faced with the challenge of radiation. We know during Chernobyl back in 1986 how helicopters would malfunction under the stressors of radiation. But that’s all we know for now we will keep you updated.

              Jackson, thank you so much for that valuable information. Now we turn to the weather for today, take it away Samuel.

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                And later on, you wouldn’t believe it. A dog. On a surf board

                Clip of a scared, wet dog on a surf board

  • Jaysyn
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    Mine & my wife’s new guilty pleasure is watching youtube channels (Van Ballion, Law with Mike) that features these morons getting arrested as well as in court.

    Nothing like watching an idiot escalate their traffic citation into 4 felonies. Bonus points for MAGA stickers.

    • @[email protected]OPM
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      Mine is joining sovereign citizen Facebook groups and giving them bogus advice. It’s hilarious what I can convince them of (just harmless stuff like using certain stamps and ink colours and nonsense like that).

      • be_excellent_to_each_other
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        You mean like this sort of thing? I’m appalled at how easy it is for me to believe they’d go for something like this. 😁

        “Bring in your documentation unsigned and tell them you used invisible ink. They have to accept it.”

        • @[email protected]OPM
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          Yes! I will reply very seriously to one of their stupid questions something like that they need to submit the T.298.101 form to their local notarizing deputy attorney using a fox postal stamp in red ink, with a codicil appending the 1099A, and they are like “oh ok”, and then my messenger request is full of questions from sovcits haha.

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          The poor person working behind whatever desk they bring it too. Not completely harmless, if it’s mailed, absolutely, but if they have to interact with a human, I feel bad for that human.

      • @brbposting
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        Think you mentioned that yesterday, made me ponder.

        Perhaps someone knows why, while it’s obviously quite funny, it… doesn’t quiteee sit exactly right with me…

        Maybe it’s like when a comedian punches down. Or maybe I’m assuming a number of them have legitimate mental deficiencies (schizophrenia? learning disabilities?).

        Hey I bet you’d be really good at wasting scammers’ time. Like Kitboga! Would love to see you running the Lemmy version of 419eater :)

        Every minute the scammer I’m communicating with is spending on me is a minute he is not scamming a real potential victim.

        🙌

      • Ricky Rigatoni
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        As opposed to the legitimate legal advice usually seen in sovcit facebook groups :)

      • Jaysyn
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        126 months ago

        My wife & I are thinking it’s a conspiracy to make sure the dumbest criminals stay incarcerated.

    • NegativeLookBehind
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      Similarly, there’s an amazing documentary called “Behind the curve” that I’d recommend, if you haven’t seen it.

      • Clay_pidgin
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        Seconding; it’s really good. Topic is Flat Earth influencers, but it’s the same mentality.

  • Optional
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    The sovcit thing is really big, courts see it extremely regularly, and it’s become a standard view in prisons for, uh, reasons. So people convicted with video evidence of them doing it want to represent themselves.

    I listened to a motions hearing where the defendant spent almost 20 minutes asking the judge “by what authority are you allowed to call me [his name]”. (The question the judge asked was “are you [guy’s name]”) and he would go into his sovcit loop until the judge was just done and was ready to send him back to prison. It was very boring insanity. It’s also not unrelated to why Trump is popular with men in prison.

    • @[email protected]OPM
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      I worry about their kids a lot. They often have CAS involved and call them their biological property they are demanding back.

  • Nougat
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    I remember many, many years ago first hearing about this “Did you know that you don’t have to pay income taxes if you just do …” thing, way before “being completely disconnected from reality” was an acceptable political position.

    “Huh,” I thought, “I should look into that, see what that’s about.”

    Fifteen minutes later: “Oh, it’s just looney bullshit.”

      • Ricky Rigatoni
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        He should be rich enough to hire an accountant who knows how to avoid paying taxes the proper way :/

      • Optional
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        Really? I thought it was just ‘whoops got caught fudging the dollar amounts’. That’s much worse.

    • @[email protected]OPM
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      It dates back a long time, and for some reason has ties to both white supremacy and Moorish black people. I guess any loony fringe groups will pick up stuff like this.

  • @[email protected]
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    Blows my mind how people can think they can just claim to be immune from laws and government yet be free to use the roads they avoided taxes to pay for.

  • Corhen
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    436 months ago

    sovcits are one of my favorite groups of loonies, but far from harmless.

    • @[email protected]OPM
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      Far from it! I often think about all the kids who are being raised by these lunatics and how badly their lives will be affected.

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        46 months ago

        This is my major concern with a lot of the crazies out there. SovCit, Flat Earth, QAnon…their kids will ultimately be the ones that suffer the most.

        Seeing how easily my kids are influenced by the various things around the place, these peoples kids will be absorbing the crap and it will be stuck in their heads on a fundamental level, much like religion.

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    If the guy deems himself to be a sovereign citizen, not subject to the laws of the state, why is he even bothering to make a fake license plate for the car? By doing so he’s just abiding by a requirement of a system he’s claiming to not be bounded by? (In a second-grader with a crayon and paper kind of way).

    • @Saledovil
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      The beliefs of sovereign citizens are to law what magic is to science. Both believe that if you do the correct rituals and spells, you can ignore the laws of the land or the laws of nature, respectively.

  • @[email protected]
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    Its not his fault. I blame the gutting of public education for more money to blow up shit and make orphans overseas.

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      The funny bit is, the rest of us don’t get many sales adverts on TV now, it’s just a constant bombardment of charity adverts asking us to help the kids the Americans bombed

      They’re better fed and educated than half of you 😂😜

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    316 months ago

    I’m not sure what is meant by “only subject to contacts” (I think maybe they meant contracts?) but if he doesn’t think he needs a plate or license from the state, why would he acquiesce to police or the court? Surely by his logic they have no authority over him?

    • @[email protected]
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      Sovereign Citizens are basically a cargo cult. They think that finding the right legalese will work like a magic spell. If they can find the right combination of words, they’ll get the outcome they desire.

      The “only subject to contracts” thing is basically their belief that they are only bound by contracts they’ve agreed to, not things like the laws of the place they currently are. Hence doing something crazy like making a fake license plate and thinking that ‘counts’ because he’s “issuing his own license” without the need to do silly things like take a driving test to use public roads.

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        186 months ago

        They think that finding the right legalese will work like a magic spell. If they can find the right combination of words, they’ll get the outcome they desire.

        I mean, that is basically how the law works if you’re rich. Which sovereign citizens tend not to be

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    He’s doing it wrong. I knew a Silicon valley weirdo who wasn’t sovereign citizen but never had a license. When he got pulled over, the police could only make him get out of the car and not drive. It wasn’t an arrestable offense because he never had a license as compared to driving with a suspended license. Being rich meant the fines were an annoyance, not a real problem.

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      Going through so much trouble to not have a license… Wow.

      I had to look it up to see if you can buy a car without a driver’s license… It looks like depending on your jurisdiction, you can buy a car but you must have auto insurance. And you can purchase car insurance without a driver’s license. TIL.

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        you only need insurance if you’re financing the car. otherwise you’re “self insuring”.

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          Massachusetts requires insurance to register a car: there’s like half a dozen itemized minimum coverages

          It was a real hassle a couple decades ago when they combined license, registration, and insurance requirements, while also no longer sending reminders. A lapse in one meant the rest were dropped and made it that much harder to fix. For example drivers license expires every four years, but without a reminder, you may forget. But an expired license may discontinue your insurance, so now you’re driving without coverage for a month until that gets sent out. Now your registration may also be canceled because of lack of insurance, so you have to renew all three and in the right order

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          In most US states you’re required to carry at least Collision Liability Coverage that covers other people and property but not your own.

          When financing a car the company usually requires the more expensive Comprehensive Coverage instead of only Collision Liability.

          Virginia does have an annual uninsured motorist fee for now but that’s going away soon from what I know.

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            Do they use different terms for the coverage in different states?

            In the places I’ve lived, you have to have what’s called liability insurance at a minimum, and that’s the one that covers other people’s property but not your own.

            Around here, collision coverage is to reimburse you for damage to your own car/property in the event of an accident (collision with another vehicle), and comprehensive coverage is to handle some of the other non-collision damage (like from hail).

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      They were for sure impounding his car everytime. This is only a trick if you have money to just eat the consequences.

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      I actually worry about the kids of sovcits. In these groups I’m in a lot of them have CAS involved and they call their kids their biological property.

  • Troy
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    It’s almost a religion at this point. Their actions are wholly powered by beliefs.

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        One of the biggest pieces of shit I ever dated was into The Secret. His mom sold luxury real estate and basically let him be a fucking bum living on her money but he really believed that he was manifesting good things by wishing super hard for them. Although I guess you could say he manifested his mom buying him a house by being such a loser that she figured it was the only way she’d ever get him out of her guest room.

        He was also into church. No surprise, in retrospect.

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            It’s a book that came out maybe 15? years ago that was basically like, “all you have to do get all the things you want is wish for them real hard and you’ll attract them to you.” Really stupid stuff but people who want good things without having to put in any work to get them bought it in droves. The idea of setting goals and having positive thoughts is great, not knocking that, it’s just that this dumbass book stops there. It really appeals to the “born on 3rd base, think they hit a home run” crowd because it lets them believe they “earned” their success.

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            AKA Law of Attraction. Basically, if you wish really really hard, your wishes come true.

      • @[email protected]
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        “god had already forgiven him”

        “Well since God’s such a chill dude you should steal from him instead and give me back my fucking money”

  • IWantToFuckSpez
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    So now they want the court that serves a system they don’t want to be part of to help them out?