• DdCno1@kbin.social
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    10 months ago

    There is unfortunately footage of sexual violence committed on October 7 out there, shared by the terrorists themselves. I would not recommend you to seek it, but it does exist. This is not fictional.

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      10 months ago

      i agree that it woukd be disturbing to watch and also am no expert to validate it.

      is there a reputable news agency that make reference to these footages? Say BBC or the guardian ?

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        10 months ago

        The Israeli government has made a point of showing footage of all kinds of other atrocities to journalists, including the murder of small children, but they deliberately chose not to share video evidence of rape, beyond a single photograph of a victim. It appears to be treated as a taboo, perhaps for legal reasons, which has led to outright denial by some. I am disappointed by the fact that no journalists I know of have done their job and examined and verified this footage that can be found in the darkest corners of the Internet. Even many communities in those places treat it as a taboo and explicitly ban any footage of sexual violence. It is probably for the best, but again, it enables denial.

        This is about as close to it as you can get, mostly witness reports and discussions of material that shows the aftermath, but not the crime itself being committed (still NSFL):

        https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

        In case of paywall:

        https://web.archive.org/web/20231228171326/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html

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          10 months ago

          so you agree that evidence are not conclusive ? Like u cant say with absolute certainity that it did happen.

          but also was it a horny hamas individual or was it systematic rape?

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            10 months ago

            I can say with absolute certainty that it happened, based on the evidence I have personally seen and wish I hadn’t seen. There is no way I could come to a different conclusion, unless I deliberately wanted to deny it.

            I can also say with absolute certainty that because it was so widespread this was systematic. Sexual violence was used as a weapon of terror, not just the spontaneous actions of a few individuals.