Only a rightoid nutjob could look at the colossal shitshow that is brexit and be like “See that? That’s what I want.”
A spokesman from the extreme right party AfD once got cited with the words: “Je schlechter es Deutschland geht, desto besser für die AfD.” (The worse Germany is doing, the better it is for the AfD.) I think this highlights the underlying reasons why the AfD wants Germany to leave EU.
In dire times many people look for authoritarian leaders
Same reason Trump wants the US economy to crash.
I mean… she is also a lesbian woman who raises two sons with a woman from Sri Lanka, yet she is like “A far-right, racist party that favors ‘traditional families’ and has many members with questionable views on women and LGBTQ is where I feel at home.”
I don’t question her motivations anymore, I just assume they are based on hate and opportunism.
You forgot the living in Switzerland part on the list of obvious contradictions.
I just assume they are based on hate and opportunism.
No need to question, those are the motivations of any and all conservatives. Anything else is just toxic fluff…
That’s the same people who saw a disastrous and criminal four years of Trump and are going, “We need to go back to that!”
Or somebody paid by the Russian government
Germany’s Far Right watching the English Far Right making its country shoot itself on the foot:
“Hold my beer!”
…and thats why Russia has been funneling money for these bozos all around Europe and probably still do.
I’m so glad more people are starting to make this connection.
Not just money but also social media disinformation campaigns.
Every disruptive movement in Europe has people with towers of Kremlin sticking out from their ears at the top.
People thought we had peace, meanwhile the Kremlin, and now CCP too, have used social media to pull apart the fabric of democratic societies.
Yep. Baltic politicians tried to warn the West but were seen as paranoid.
It’s not just Europe. They’re doing it in Canada and the USA too. Conservatives est this shit up.
That woman (Alice Weidel) is a rollercoaster of contradictions:
- She is one of the leaders of the far-right and nationalist party AfD, but lives in Switzerland herself.
- She lives with her girlfriend but refuses to call herself queer and voted against gay marriage
- her girlfriend voted pro gay marriage in Switzerland
- Said girlfriend is a Swiss immigrant, originating from Sri Lanka, but Weidel promotes the typical anti-immigrant politics you’d expected from a right wing nut job
Weird coincidence. Finland has a similar case. Gay man with black immigrant boyfriend in the alt-right party. I know the party can use him as a shield for racism accusations, but I don’t quite understand what’s in it for him (outside of a well paying office job)
Such people are just in for the money and have absolutely no qualm of selling out their specific minority. And they always make the mistake of thinking, that they are special and that they will be loved by the bigots they try to placate. But history has shown that such people will always be the first to be purged when the party gets into power if they haven’t been thrown out way before that.
In the US we can currently also see such examples with the MAGA crowd where non white figures in the movement find out the hard way, that the crowd doesn’t like them and is already shunning them because of their name, skin color or immigration background.
The whole coverage of AfD topics is more a newsfeed reportig directly from the mental asylum. Nobody wants to know what crazy ideas the lunatics like Alicia Weidel came up with, today. (My opinion.)
It’s the same with all the reporting about trump. It would really be better for all if this was reduced to the relevant stuff.
Fediverse user hails guillotine as ‘model for German far-right’
I’m more Team Rope! Nuremberg them!
We could also pull a „Mussolini“ on them
No thank you, we like our constitution
Um speaking as a Brit, has she seen the state of our politics since Brexit?
Reminder (and that was the better of the key statements made…):
“The worse off Germany is, the better for the AfD”
That’s what they aim for.
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Well I feel stupid
Someone should explain to her that all those roubles that appear in her bank account when she says these things aren’t actually worth very much.
People have a bias for large numbers after all.
If Germany left the Euro it would be great for everybody else as they make the currency far too strong for most countries, especially Southern Europe, so a German-less Euro would fall and relieve some of the debt pressure elsewhere.
It would however be shit for German-exports because a Neue Deutsche Mark would quickly go up once separated from the Euro (as it wouldn’t be pushed down by other EU country’s lower productivity), making German exports more expensive and hence less competitive, which in turn would negativelly impact the quality of life of Germans.
(Also outside the EU Germany can forget all about having the influence to save their own reckless banks by moving their debt at full value to EU nations and then forcing Southern European nations to pay, next time the Economy tanks and it turns out once again they’re overexposed)
That said, having observed the whole Brexit thing from inside Britain, I fully expect anything but easilly parrotable slogans and one-sided criticism will go over the heads of the Far Right simpletons (that was exactly how Brexit ended up happenning).
Mind you, Germany is a lot more capable of keep going with some success after leaving the EU than Britain, but it definitely derives massive irreplaceable trade benefits from being in the EU, especially the Euro.
EU and Euro are not the same thing. Those memberships do not require each other.
Sorta.
Since a couple of years ago, new EU members are obligated to eventually become Euro members, and non-EU members need the agreement of the rest of the EU to have any say in how the Euro is managed (sure, non-EU countries can do the equivallent of dollarization with the Euro and just use it as currency or have a pegged currency, but that means no ability at all to participate in managing the currency which is what really matters for Germany in order to get all those sweet benefits of a currency managed taking in account weaker Economies) and there is only a handfull of small countries with such agreements.
By leaving the EU, Germany would immediatelly loose the right to have any say on things like how the Euro is managed and would have to negotiate any such things in the Exit Agreement.
So your “point” sounds a lot like the fantasism I heard in Britain from the Leave campaign: all about “we can still have this and that” whilst the reality was that ex-members are not entitled to an a la carte choice of all the things they want and have to negotiate it with the rest of the EU and since what comes out of that negotiation requires unanimous approval, they’re not going to get all that they want and what they do manage to get will cost them.
My point was meant differently than it may have sounded. Personally, as a German myself, I am open to leaving both the EU and the euro. I was only concerned with the implication that “Euro = EU”, which is factually wrong.
Andorra, Monaco, San Marino and Vatican City have the euro, but are not in the EU; Bulgaria, the Czech Republic, Hungary, Poland, Romania and Sweden are in the EU, but do not yet have the euro. A special case is Denmark, which is currently the only EU country with a “non-participation option” that has decided not to introduce the euro in future either.
Yeah, you are technically correct that it is possible to be an Euro member outside the EU or an EU member outside the Euro.
So it’s not impossible for Germany to leave the EU and remain an Euro member.
Just like, technically, it’s entirelly possible to fall from a tall bridge and survive, so it’s not impossible to jump off a tall bridge and survive.
It’s just unlikely in practice and jumping off a tall bridge expecting to survive is either stupidity or insanity.
To see just how ultra-special it would be for a Germany outside the EU to still have full Euro member rights, notice how all non-EU countries which are Euro members have microscopic economies and have very special historic sovereignty arrangements with existing EU members: 2 principalities which are protectorates of France, one territory governed by France half of the year and Spain the other half, and a special enclave in Rome for the Catholic Church.
So my point still stands: Germany leaves the EU, Germany leaves the Euro, though with the tiny possibility that Germany gets all other 26 members - many of which gain massivelly from Germany leaving the Euro and some which have “scores to settle” with Germany on that since back in 2012 - to agree that Germany can stay with full rights (good luck with that, better not do it during an election year in Greece).
Any rational person would evaluate a possibiliy of Germany leaving the EU assuming the most likely consequences in related domains such as Euro membership rather than repeat the same silly fantasism of the Brexiters of assuming “we’re special so we can beat the odds” ('cause that worked so well…)
As I’ve seen in Britain, the highly irrational simpleton Nationalism that presumes some special specialness from having born in a specific geographical area, invariably presumes against all indications that such special country and special people will get all they want from the rest when they leave, and, well … those who actually get to decide what the EU will concede are the one that stay in the EU and they don’t really share the fantasies of the nationalist of the leaving country and are hardly going to act in the leaving nation’s best interests.
I wonder if she has some agreements with Goldman Sachs to curbstomp the German and European economy in the right moment, when they have shorted Germand and European stocks.
I cannot explain this economic madness otherwise.
I believe the leader of Russia is called Vladimir Putin and not Goldman Sachs.
One doesn’t exclude the other. You can get money from Putin to destabilise Europe while also getting money from people trying to profit from this via shorts on the the losing economy.
It’s early, but that is the dumbest fucking thing I’ve read so far today.
Can’t wait for them to drive around in a bus telling how much money will be used for healthcare afterwards .
The rise of populist rights, should be a wake-up for left wing activists/voters (I assume most of us are). These last years, we forgot about the social questions, at best we’ve done an alliance with liberals regarding “societal questions” (don’t get me wrong it’s great, but it’s not sufficient) while totally ignoring people struggling to fill their fridge.
We need to tackle social questions we can’t sacrifice poor people end-of-the month to prevent the end of the world, especially when billionaire are doing fine. We can’t keep the minimal wage frozen when billionaire are getting richer than ever. We can’t let corporation replace our working class by slave like labour in south East asia, with the rise of automation and AI we need to get "Universal Basic income"for everyone.
We need to tackle social questions we can’t sacrifice poor people end-of-the month to prevent the end of the world, especially when billionaire are doing fine. We can’t keep the minimal wage frozen when billionaire are getting richer than ever. We can’t let corporation replace our working class by slave like labour in south East asia, with the rise of automation and AI we need to get "Universal Basic income"for everyone.
Brexit made all of this worse.
That’s not the point. Three point is while the establishment was sitting back ignoring the problems of regular people, the far right was shouting about railing against the elites and taking the country back. Realistic or not they found a base and energized it while “the left” sat on its neo liberal infatuated thumbs.
Sure, the usd can always be shouldered a notch higher.
I love how this is (mis)used to dismiss EU critics as “far-right”, although communists were always against the EU as well.
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The statement is from a member of the far right AfD party.
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“Communist” parties are mostly just right wing parties with a different aesthetic.
- Yes, it is, but it has become common practice in Germany to automatically portray things that the AfD also wants as “far-right demands”. That is, of course, utter nonsense.
- No, they are not.
Because far right ideologies are nationalistic in nature, which inherently goes against the principle concept of the EU.
The EU aims to be a supranational(ist) union. I am not entirely sure how nationalism goes against the concept of having one big European nation.
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If only there was a right to skip posts here.
Also, please stay calm. There is no need to get personal here.
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