• ArbitraryValue
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    10 months ago

    Um, what about the belief that an unborn fetus has a soul? That’s a belief that tens of millions of American women sincerely hold…

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      10 months ago

      Even allowing for the unproven assertion that souls exist, at no point does that soul obligate giving up bodily autonomy.

      You can’t use organs from corpses without permission, you can’t force a drunk driver to provide an organ to a kid they ran over, you can’t force a parent to donate an organ to their own child. All of these things would save “souls” but is hardly part of pro-forced birth platforms.

      And if fetuses have souls, that would surely make the Christian god the true murderer as 10 to 20% of all pregnancies end in miscarriages, but the Christian god is held to a lower moral standard than human beings by pro-forced birthers. And the governments that reject welfare programs are also held to lower moral standard for some reason, as well.

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        You don’t need to agree with the women who oppose abortion because they believe a fetus has a soul in order to accept that these women do in fact oppose abortion because they believe a fetus has a soul. I’m not arguing that they’re right but only that they have their reasons, which they aren’t secretive about. People who wonder “how could women vote for Republicans” are ignoring the straightforward explanation that those women readily provide.

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          10 months ago

          If they can’t give a reason that’s internally consistent why should I believe them?

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          This is the internet in 2024. You can only be “Right” or “Wrong” and that depends on which color flag the topic falls under, unfortunately.

          I’m slowly giving up on even trying to highlight any shades of grey. The goal on both sides seems to be “Shoot first, as questions later.”

          Just hoping cooler heads prevail.

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      10 months ago

      Religious beliefs are irrelevant outside of the personal life.

      Most people don’t even follow their religion RAW. Bunch of munchkins running bullshit homebrew rulings.

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      It’s stupid and completely unfounded in any medical science regarding when the Fetus is actually a living human being.

      Show me a woman who claims she genuinely would see a fetus in a jar and an infant newborn as equally worth saving in a crisis and I will show you a woman who swears she’d have totally been a punk rock abolitionist if she was around in the South in the antebellum years.

      Also it literally isn’t sincere belief, the Bible has exactly one thing to say about abortion, and that’s how to perform one via medicine.

      God gaveth unto the Jews, the pill.

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      It’s a belief they have only because they were told to believe it. I can’t respect that.